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Salvation in government action

Charlie24

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Venezuela can't do it now!

I would be the judge and jury like you if I knew all the intel involved.

But I don't know all of it, but it seems you and Conan do.

It's amazing to me that the Venezuelan people are in the streets celebrating and chanting Trump, Trump, Trump, and some here want to crucify him.
 

Conan

Well-Known Member
It's amazing to me that the Venezuelan people are in the streets celebrating and chanting Trump, Trump, Trump, and some here want to crucify him.
We don't want our President to violate the Ten Comandments. We dont want to have a murder for President. We don't want thieves as Presidents. We know Clint0n Bush Obama Biden were. I guess it's to late. He promised to get us out of the forever wars. He promised to get us out of war with Russia. Turns out he is a liar. He is getting us into wars and not really getting us out of them. Don't get me wrong. I wish he was a truth teller and a Christian. But we have seen enough. It's time to stop thinking like children. Democrat republican war is on the Ajenda of foreign policy.
 

Charlie24

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We don't want our President to violate the Ten Comandments. We dont want to have a murder for President. We don't want thieves as Presidents. We know Clint0n Bush Obama Biden were. I guess it's to late. He promised to get us out of the forever wars. He promised to get us out of war with Russia. Turns out he is a liar. He is getting us into wars and not really getting us out of them. Don't get me wrong. I wish he was a truth teller and a Christian. But we have seen enough. It's time to stop thinking like children. Democrat republican war is on the Ajenda of foreign policy.

I think it's called peace through strength, but some must have it their way or they will condemn everything.

You know the type, the Anti-Americans that will allow the evil in this world to thrive.
 

Charlie24

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I think it's called peace through strength, but some must have it their way or they will condemn everything.

You know the type, the Anti-Americans that will allow the evil in this world to thrive.

I served 4 years active duty in the military, and would do it all over again if I were able.

I had no time for Anti-America then, and have none of it now.
 

Conan

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I think it's called peace through strength, but some must have it their way or they will condemn everything.

You know the type, the Anti-Americans that will allow the evil in this world to thrive.
That's exactly how I thought. It's a trick. God will reveal it to you one day.
 
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Charlie24

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That's exactly how I thought. It's a trick. God will reveal it to one day.

You've lost faith in why God made the USA the greatest power the world has ever known.

As with the many blessings He will give to Israel in the future, it's not for their sakes, but for His glory.
 

Charlie24

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You've lost faith in why God made the USA the greatest power the world has ever known.

As with the many blessings He will give to Israel in the future, it's not for their sakes, but for His glory.

Have you ever considered it by coincidence or by the decree of God that the 3 middle letters of JerUSAlem are USA?
 
Oh he has coveted that oil for a long, long time. Yes he is going to steal it. Only God can stop his wickedness.
I truly believe that Dr, Clarke has the best explanation of God in the “Rama” book series.
I love to go to the library and get a subject to study . Christianity was a good 3 months of reading.
You will enjoy trying it . Take out 6 books from the zone and read.
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
The book “Collapse, Why societies choose to fail.” Is a well written book on where America is heading. As he says Rome , Britain , Egypt and the others all spoke the same way . America will soon be a has been society. Sadly true

Of course it will happen, the anti-Christ must come, America then will not be the America now.
 

JonC

Moderator
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Seeing the reports on the anniversary of the German death camps , it made me wonder how God sees the guilt of these crimes population of a nation due to the actions of their government. Few would argue that most workers at the death camps knew what was happening. Did they all get sent to hell for their part in the killings. Since most Germans did not know the truth where did their souls land in the judgment? With America becoming a nation of crimes against humanity where will the divide between salvation and damnation be?
America is a nation of crimes against humanity. As a nation we murder over 600,000 babies each year.

But salvation is individual. The German citizens will not go to Hell because of the actions of their government. Even if they participated, it will not be the readon they go to Hell.
 
America is a nation of crimes against humanity. As a nation we murder over 600,000 babies each year.

But salvation is individual. The German citizens will not go to Hell because of the actions of their government. Even if they participated, it will not be the readon they go to Hell.
Interesting you call out a questionable crime while discounting another. You feel that the workers stripping and pushing the prisoners into gas chambers innocent, and the guards who drug the dead out of the gas chambers and into the creametotiums . Or the butcher in Berlin who loved the idea of a final solution. God did whip out all life on earth for our crimes
America is a nation of crimes against humanity. As a nation we murder over 600,000 babies each year.

But salvation is individual. The German citizens will not go to Hell because of the actions of their government. Even if they participated, it will not be the readon they go to Hell.
off the original question. But let’s go into the abortion topic
What of the male half of these abortions?1
If ending abortion as opposed to outlawing it we need to stop unwanted pregnancy 2
Education and good healthcare are what will lower abortion needs 3
600,000 unwanted pregnancy
Give 100,000 don’t make it to term
Give 100,000 become wanted children
Still have 400,000 unwanted humans
Give 200,000 survive and become good citizens
That leaves 200,000 humans that become wards of the state
Are we ready for that prisons , food banks, housing. 5
If soul at conception what is it like for the billion still born , miscarriage souls 6
Is paradise full of little blobs of “people” 7
These are serious questions in the big pacture
 

canadyjd

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That does not address the question. The Bible is about what it takes to get salvation. As America becomes a murdering nation it must have an affect. God gave us rules for a reason.
You really don’t understand, imo, what it “takes to get salvation”. The nation will not be punished for the sin of its leaders.

Each person stands before God with a simple question, “does Christ know you”?

Jesus told many in the day of judgment “depart from Me, I never knew you”.

Do you understand “salvation” is about the individual being in a right relationship with God. Not their family. Not their church. Not their city or country.

Individually… does that person stand before God in a right relationship. Is that person “known” by Jesus.

BTW, to compare DT and what he’s doing to the Nazi’s and death camps displays outrageous ignorance of both.

Peace to you
 

canadyjd

Well-Known Member
America is a nation of crimes against humanity. As a nation we murder over 600,000 babies each year.

But salvation is individual. The German citizens will not go to Hell because of the actions of their government. Even if they participated, it will not be the readon they go to Hell.
“We” don’t murders babies as a nation. Individuals murder babies in the womb.

I reject the notion the people of a nation are collectively responsible for the crimes of some members thereof.

Peace to you
 

canadyjd

Well-Known Member
Interesting you call out a questionable crime while discounting another. You feel that the workers stripping and pushing the prisoners into gas chambers innocent, and the guards who drug the dead out of the gas chambers and into the creametotiums . Or the butcher in Berlin who loved the idea of a final solution. God did whip out all life on earth for our crimes

off the original question. But let’s go into the abortion topic
What of the male half of these abortions?1
If ending abortion as opposed to outlawing it we need to stop unwanted pregnancy 2
Education and good healthcare are what will lower abortion needs 3
600,000 unwanted pregnancy
Give 100,000 don’t make it to term
Give 100,000 become wanted children
Still have 400,000 unwanted humans
Give 200,000 survive and become good citizens
That leaves 200,000 humans that become wards of the state
Are we ready for that prisons , food banks, housing. 5
If soul at conception what is it like for the billion still born , miscarriage souls 6
Is paradise full of little blobs of “people” 7
These are serious questions in the big pacture
You are very generous when proposing spending of other people’s money…

… or are you going to spend that 100k of your own money to pay the mother to take the child to term? If you save just one baby’s life wouldn’t it be worth it to go into debt for 100k?

… or are you going to start a charity and ask for donations to pay each mother 100k to take the baby to term?

Nothing is stopping you from doing either. It would be a much better use of your time instead of wondering whose going to hell because DT policies.

Peace to you
 
You really don’t understand, imo, what it “takes to get salvation”. The nation will not be punished for the sin of its leaders.

Each person stands before God with a simple question, “does Christ know you”?

Jesus told many in the day of judgment “depart from Me, I never knew you”.

Do you understand “salvation” is about the individual being in a right relationship with God. Not their family. Not their church. Not their city or country.

Individually… does that person stand before God in a right relationship. Is that person “known” by Jesus.

BTW, to compare DT and what he’s doing to the Nazi’s and death camps displays outrageous ignorance of both.

Peace to you
To say a nations people are not responsible for- the acts of the government negates when a country moves so far away from good governance. Most of the people in 40’s Germany never on earth were called out for actions. I was taught at Sunday school that we are responsible for doing something. The Americans who claim the men in the oceans deserve to be murdered because of accusations is sad . The Americans who want those who the administration calls names to die or suffer are surely violating Jesus’ instructions.
 
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