Salvation/Loss of the soul

That was what I was addressing. I didn't comment on you using a Strong's concordance, I did however comment on you using a lexicon, although I'm not sure which one you used.

Bottom line is lets quit dealing in this nonesense and move on to Scripture. If I offended you I apologize.

 

Well the first is easy to explain becuase it's the simplest message of the bible. A dead man in trespasses and sins (spiritually dead) needs to heed the gospel message that Jesus Christ, the Perfect Lamb of God, died and shed His blood on the cross of Calvary to pay the sin debt that we have. If one will believe that Christ died as their substitute they are saved (made alive spiritually).

This is solely based on the works of Christ alone, and therefore is never changing. The faith is a one-time event in the person's life and the matter is settled at that very moment for the rest of time, which will never end.

What happens after that is not as easy to explain, becuase it is really a complete understanding of Scripture from beginning to end that needs to take place.

But as simply as it can be put just like in Genesis 1 where God separates the light from the darkness, God separates the saved person's spirit (light) from their soul (darkness) (Hebrews 4:12).

God didn't do away with the darkness He just separated it from the light.

The mistake that a lot of Christendom makes is that they believe/teach that the moment of salvation a person becomes a completely new person that walks and talks and thinks like Christ. However that is not the case. We are born as babies and must be taught to walk and talk and think like Christ.

During this learning process there is also our old nature that is still around that doesn't want to learn to walk, talk and think like Christ, it wants to continue to live the way it has always lived.

One must die to self and allow the learning process to take place and continue.

The Bible says that if a person will lose his life (soul) in the here and now he will find it in the coming age (1,000-year reign of Christ). However the opposite is also true. If one continues to live their own life. Then they will lose their life (soul) in the coming age.

It is clearly and plainly taught throughout Scripture that there is a salvation that is past and there is a salvation that is working in the present and will be fully realized in the future.

The salvation in the past is exactly that in the past. Done deal. The matter never to be discussed again. However there is a salvation that must currently be sought in the present and it must be sought after and work done throughout this lifetime or until the return of Christ to be realized.

It can be obtained and it can be forfeited.

Now as to how that works out after the judgment seat of Christ I am not exactly sure, because we just aren't told in great detail. But we are given enough Truth about the matter to know we don't want to experience it no matter how it plays out, because it's not going to be a pretty sight. And we should be focusing on doing what we are called to do, not focusing on what will happen to us in detail if we don't do it.

Now outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth has to do with deep grief and remorse. And that can be seen in the OT picture of Esau who was deeply troubled that he missed out on the blessing of his inhertiance, because he sold it for a bowl of soup.

Destruction seems to have to do with a person's will and desires being done away with finally by God, because they didn't want to go through the process in this lifetime.

Condemnation means we are going to have to pay up some day. The famous pay day some day line would be appropriate here. If anyone thinks they are going to get away with living a life of disobedience and unfaithfulness they are fooling themselves.

Hope that helps clarify a bit more.

 

You misread what I typed. I didn't say we would have to pay a debt. Quite the opposite. We will be paid for our works done in the flesh whether good or bad.

For good works we will be paid accordingly, and for bad works we will be paid accordingly.

No here is a contradiction. You say we can still rule and reign without a crown. Sorry no crown, no ruling and reigning.

Plus the Bible says we will suffer loss. Not only a loss of what we could have had, but also a loss of what we already possess.

 

God gives a portion of His kingdom to the Son for a period of 1,000 years and then Christ gives it back to God after that period is over and the throne becomes not the throne of Christ, but the throne of God and the Lamb. I probably should have said throne there.

Hope that clarifies.

 

I don't think the streets of gold come in until the new heaven and new earth, but I could be mistaken on that. The heavenly sphere may already have that established, we just don't know.

But outside of that if SFIC believes that (which I would say he doesn't) then his stance would be correct. However I think SFIC's stance is opposite of this and therefore could constitute as traditional, but it certainly isn't fully historical as what I have stated has been taught since the apostles and SFIC stance is certainly not Biblical.

 

But the saving or the losing of one's soul doesn't have anything to do with eternal security. The spirit is what is in view in eternal salvation. Men are spiritually dead and are made spiritually alive at the very moment of salvation.

Then and only then can the salvation of the soul come into play.

After the very moment of eternal salvation the salvation of the spirit is never brought up again.

 

But your flesh is different than your soul.

If blind obedience is what is on the other side, then why is there this testing period on this side to teach us this obedience? Why not just end our physical life right at the moment of salvation?

The problem is obedience is not a guarantee in this life, nor does it look like it is a guarantee in the next age, which is the kingdom age.

I'm not sure how I can do that. I'm using the terms the Bible uses.