Salvation

[Yelsew]

Do your works not come as the result of your faith?

Which comes first Works or Faith?

Where in scripture can it be found that works merits salvation?

If you did not have faith would you do the works?

Who do you know that does the works yet has not the faith?

Who do you know that has gained eternal life by their own effort (works)?

Neither the Old Testament nor the New reveals any who has done so.

 

[Justified Saint]

Singer - Yes, we know first and foremost you are an anti-Catholic before anything else, tell us something we don't know.

Yeslew - I think Brother Adam termed it quite correctly, "selective listening"

 

[Justified Saint]

Or ignorance

 

[DHK]

What can be more easily understood than this:
Eph.2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[Singer]

Just doing a little biblical "trying of the spirits" J.S.

 

[Singer]

Oh............something you didn't know, J.S....??

Jesus was not a Catholic !!!!
Peter wasn't the first Pope.
There is no such thing as Regenerative Baptism.
Mary was not a perpetual virgin.
The purpose of creation was not to formulate the Catholic Church.
Emblems do not constitute blood and wine.

More ?

 

[Justified Saint]

not of yourselves

not of works, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST

OUR works don't save us and the Catholic Church is quite clear on this. In fact it was one of the anathemas of the Council of Trent to the person who thought they could merit salvation by themselves.

 

[Singer]

OUR works don't save us and the Catholic Church is quite clear on this

Missing Mass is a mortal sin so wouldn't a mortal sin cause loss of salvation..?

But of course that could be forgiven if repented.

But....to think one would commit a mortal sin willfully...(Missing Mass).

So a way not to commit the mortal sin of missing mass is to not ever become
a Catholic !!

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Justified Saint:

OUR works don't save us and the Catholic Church is quite clear on this. In fact it was one of the anathemas of the Council of Trent to the person who thought they could merit salvation by themselves.

Is the Catholic Church schizophrenic? Or is just you.
The Catholic Church teaching is that through baptism one is born again. Through baptism one enters into the new covenant. Through baptism one becomes a member of the Catholic Church. Without baptism one cannot be saved.
The Bible teaches that one is saved by grace through faith, and not of works. Baptism is a work. You clearly contradict yourself.

 

[Justified Saint]

Selective listening

 

[Singer]

Actually if it's a mortal sin for a Catholic to miss mass is it a mortal sin
for me to miss mass too?

I mean a murder is a murder no matter who commits it.

 

[Justified Saint]

Singer, you are still talking.

 

[Justified Saint]

Just kidding Sing, you know I love ya.

 

[Singer]

Ohoh...J.S. is on the spot now !!!

 

[Yelsew]

Originally posted by Justified Saint:
Or ignorance

Answer my questions Junior saint in training, and I'll respond to your idea of works salvation. You have much to learn!

 

[Justified Saint]

No, you got it right Singer. You live in hersey, I never denied that. But it is as much a product of ignorance than anything else.

DHK - I really like your name, so I am going to help you out on this one. Baptism is a work of GRACE not a work of the LAW or OUR work. Look at v 10, God has prepared and set aside works for us so that we may do them. Eph 2:8-9 is talking about OUR works, works that let us BOAST contrasting them with v 10 about the works of GOD, FAITH, and GRACE. It's really a simple concept.

 

[Justified Saint]

Wow, that was kind of harsh of me Singer.

Don't you want to go to Mass?

 

[Kathryn]

The simple is too simple for some:


"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure." Philippians 2:13

God Bless

 

[Glorious]

No, you got it right Singer. You live in hersey, I never denied that. But it is as much a product of ignorance than anything else.

"Scuse me buttin' in here, but what does that mean?

Does it mean, hey ho, it's off to hell he goes????


Truth now, please!

 

[Singer]

Nah, J.S. God never told me to go to mass.