Featured Sanctification by God's Sovereign Grace as Opposed to "Lordship Salvation"

I think in LS he is like Santa Claus, ya better watch out ya better not cry… he sees you, He knows when you’ve been bad & good, so be good or you will be put on the naughty list

 

As opposed to those who have put themselves on the "good list" and believe they are on the good list - because they have put themselves on the good list. They have a belief in their belief, no matter how they act or what they do. Any self examination is worldly and sinful. Of all the variations you see in handling justification and sanctification this is the most terrifying because it causes a person to inoculate themselves from any convicting work of the Holy Spirit or scripture and then actually laugh about it, all the while thinking they are right with God.

That is what Paul Washer was talking about in his message. That's what MacArthur was talking about. This was designed for a practical antinomianism that was rampant in Baptist churches a few years ago. The idea of this being a theological position was new to me and this thread has been useful in discovering the beliefs of the Primitive Baptist hyper-Calvinist. They are not the careless teens in Washer's audience, they are taking a thought out theological position that folds sanctification into justification, making it all one and all passive.

 

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

 

That's a fine statement. The issue MacArthur was getting at was how do you know that YOU are elect. Even high-Calvinists like Owen said the only way you know is by the effects of being elect. In other words you can examine yourself. For some reason you find that either contemptable or funny. I would be concerned. In 145 posts no one has shown MacArthur wrong. All you see is total smart aleck contempt or some kind of ethereal glorying in the wonderfulness of your feeling that you are elect. Anyone reading this thread should realize that Mac was on to something. It wasn't new. And if it applies to you take heed. If not, don't worry about it.

 

I told you already that I’m certain I’m saved. MacArthur has vastly confused eternal salvation with temporal gospel conversion. So do you know the difference? I kinda doubt it. As far as contempt is concerned, I really couldn’t care less… MacArthur is the one who has fronted an attack on my peoples understanding ( through scripture) of our belief system. Damn him for his arrogance! But it only made me stronger in my resolution that we PB’s are correct in our beliefs. My family and I will never move to a Synergist (man cooperates with God) belief system. God is sovereign, He doesn’t need my help.

 

Exalted himself vs humbleth himself has nothing to do with Lordship Salvation. Luke 18:9-14 could just as easily be applied to someone who prides himself on being elect and not as other men are. To apply a passage about Pharisees to a Christian who has been sucked into thinking they are saved because of a "decision" made and no evidence of being born again shows a complete lack of discernment. The publican above is concerned and has knowledge of his sinfulness and is asking for mercy. These are signs of being born again and yes, of being "elect". You have created a false comparison, by mistake, I hope. Notice that the publican above did not simply declare himself forgiven and elect.

 

It is God who exalts, not man. It is He that selects and Gives to the son, not man. So is there a problem with God being totally sovereign?

Also I don’t care what any legalistic Calvinist thinks. I view them as self styled legalists… even Pharisees who do laud sin over the people heads in order to bend them to there lifestyles. The word discipline is big in their churches as if they have the power and authority over others. Only God has that authority.

Think of it this way, a mother always loves her children, even though they err and sin… often exceedingly. Does that stop the mother from loving and nurturing her children? No she corrects and disciplines because they are her kids and God is that way. Look at David for example. He stood up for Hashem
With the PHILISTINES and God both loved rewarded him for it… but David always knew God loved him. But David also sinned exceedingly and paid the price. How about Solomon, Job, Samson, Moses etc? So Jacob I loved, Esau I HATED. Do you have the right to ask.I mean what did he really do, it was Jacob who cheated Esau. When looking at this we mortals can’t never be sure. All I can say is that God is sovereign and he don’t need my help. I’m not his partner, I’m his creation. Don’t make me quote Gods answer to Job when asked for an answer why he was being put thru travails ( my broken wrist prevents much typing)

 

Doesn't the Bible say there is no man with out sin? It seems to me that Christ had to die for the sin of men. No one leads a perfect holy life.
MB

 

…and so they judge the poor parishioners who are taught to jump all the hoops of their belief system… pure legalism ( not God ). Obey, obedience, disobey the script at your peril. Now that’s true, dare I say it, Hyper Calvinism. Man centered, hateful, deceitful etc all hallmarks of false gospel teachings.