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Satan & UFO's

beameup

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I think Ezekiel saw heaven in a way that we can only imagine. He had to describe things that no human has ever seen, so that's why it sounds "other worldly" to us. He saw the cherubim that surround God's throne and he saw the glory of God. I think he did his best to describe it but it is just not something we can understand because just like Ezekiel we are trying to understand something no human has ever seen. We have no point of reference. That's why the word "like" is used so often by him. The wheels were "like", the colors were "like".......
There is nothing on earth to compare to what he saw. But I believe he was in God's throne room.

And you are saying that Satan does not "mimic" the things of God?

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if
his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be
according to their works.
2 Cor 11:14-15
 

Amy.G

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And you are saying that Satan does not "mimic" the things of God?

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore [it is] no great thing if
his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be
according to their works.
2 Cor 11:14-15
I said no such thing. Have you read my other posts??

But what Ezekiel saw was totally of God. God was speaking to Him.
 

Winman

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... for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. (Eze 1:21)

I don't know exactly what these wheels within wheels and full of eyes round about them are, but the scriptures say a spirit was in them.

In Rev 13:13 it says the beast had power to do great wonders and miracles, saying to the people that dwell on the earth should make an image. Then in verse 15 he has the power to give life to this image that it might speak.

The Lord himself appeared to Moses as a burning bush in Exo 3:2.

So there are examples of spirits inhabiting objects beside men and animals in the scriptures.

I believe the vast majority of UFO sightings are hoaxes, or simple mistakes, but there have been thousands of reports from reliable people like astronauts, military and commercial pilots, police officers, radar operators, and other individuals trained in observation. To simply discount ALL of these reports is naive.

In my own case, I know what I saw, and I do not believe they were man-made craft.
 

beameup

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Amy.G

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Sorry, but I see similarities between what Ezekiel's saw and some UFO sightings.
Have you seen the series "V"? It portrays a "visitation" to "help humanity" (a very common theme of sci-fi).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhtkV5622Yo&feature=related
If you read Ezekiel (in context) it is clearly speaking of God. God called Ezekiel to prophesy to the Jews about the wrath He was getting ready to bring on them. Ezekiel described what he saw in the only terms he knew how to. Everything about what he saw described God's glory and attributes. The eyes for instance represent God's omnipresence. Cherubim are the creatures that surround God's throne.
The only deception of Satan going on in this instance is the fact that he wants people to question what Ezekiel saw as being of God. He wants people to "think" Ezekiel saw alien aircraft.
 

Winman

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If you read Ezekiel (in context) it is clearly speaking of God. God called Ezekiel to prophesy to the Jews about the wrath He was getting ready to bring on them. Ezekiel described what he saw in the only terms he knew how to. Everything about what he saw described God's glory and attributes. The eyes for instance represent God's omnipresence. Cherubim are the creatures that surround God's throne.
The only deception of Satan going on in this instance is the fact that he wants people to question what Ezekiel saw as being of God. He wants people to "think" Ezekiel saw alien aircraft.

I agree with Amy, the wheels in Ezekiel were of God. I also agree that Satan wants to deceive people that Ezekiel saw UFOs. He wants people to believe in evolution and that life has popped up all over the universe. He wants people to doubt the creation account and believe we were placed here by aliens ages ago. He also wants to discredit serious and sober people.

I am no "Trekkie". I have never taken much interest in sci-fi. But I would be a liar if I denied what I saw.
 

Amy.G

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I agree with Amy, the wheels in Ezekiel were of God. I also agree that Satan wants to deceive people that Ezekiel saw UFOs. He wants people to believe in evolution and that life has popped up all over the universe. He wants people to doubt the creation account and believe we were placed here by aliens ages ago. He also wants to discredit serious and sober people.

I am no "Trekkie". I have never taken much interest in sci-fi. But I would be a liar if I denied what I saw.

Amen. And you are very brave to tell what you saw and take all the criticism you have gotten. I appreciate that. I have had experiences (different than yours, but spiritual) that people would not believe either. But I just usually keep my mouth shut because I don't like to be mocked.
 
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Winman

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Amen. And you are very brave to tell what you saw and take all the criticism you have gotten. I appreciate that. I have had experiences (different than yours, but spiritual) that people would not believe either. But I just usually keep my mouth shut because I don't like to be mocked.

Thanks Amy. Yes, you can expect to take a lot of ridicule. I have had several very godly pastors tell me of strange encounters with the supernatural. When I was young, I was probably a bigger skeptic than those who make fun here. I learned the hard way folks aren't always kooks or liars.

If you ever have time, please PM your experiences, I promise I will not ridicule them.
 
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beameup

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I agree with Amy, the wheels in Ezekiel were of God. I also agree that Satan wants to deceive people that Ezekiel saw UFOs. He wants people to believe in evolution and that life has popped up all over the universe. He wants people to doubt the creation account and believe we were placed here by aliens ages ago. He also wants to discredit serious and sober people.

I am no "Trekkie". I have never taken much interest in sci-fi. But I would be a liar if I denied what I saw.

Satan was "the anointed cherub that covereth" [the throne of God]. Ezek 28:14
I don't think we should minimize the great deception of the Tribulation.

If it were possible even the very elect would be deceived... but we won't be here, we will be THERE.
 
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Winman

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Satan was "the anointed cherub that covereth" [the throne of God]. Ezek 28:14
I don't think we should minimize the great deception of the Tribulation.

No, I agree with you. I believe in the rapture. I believe it will be similar to Paul's experience on the Damascus road where he saw Jesus, but the other men saw a bright light and heard a loud noise, but did not see Jesus.

When the Lord returns and many people suddenly disappear, what better way to explain than that the UFOs took them away?

I believe the world is being prepared for this and this explains all the sightings that started to occur just as Israel was restored as a nation.

I am not a sci-fi kook, I don't even watch the stuff, although I see it at times channel surfing. It holds no interest to me at all.
 

WestminsterMan

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Well, maybe I could make a living writing fiction!

You don't have to do much when you look out your window and see this large cylinder flying right beside you. The first thing I did was roll down my window to see if I could hear it, but all I could hear was the natural wind sound when you are going 65-70 MPH on the highway. I was on a long straightway, so it wasn't hard to stay on the road, but I did have to look back and forth to make sure I didn't go off the road.

This object was going slightly faster than me, so as it got ahead of me I looked at it through the windshield.

The total viewing time was probably a minute, maybe a little longer. It was easy to see as there was a bright full moon that partially illiminated this object, although I could not tell the color. It appeared dark grey like the drawing I made. It was actually much closer than my drawing, as I could look into the portholes.

It was an extremely simple object, just this long cylinder with portholes with light shining out. It's simplicity actually made it more strange and a little frightening.

It is AFTER you see an object like this that it bothers you, you wonder WHY this object appeared to you. You would have to see one to understand.

This might be a fascinating story, but I would tell anybody you are better off if you never see one. They are disturbing.

I firmly believe these are demons who can take on physical reality and appear to be spaceships to deceive people. They are evil.

I've seen one myself. I don't know what they are; however, I know what they are not - and that's human. I won't go into detail, but I'm sure there's nothing man-made that can perform a hovering manuver in the extreme weather conditions that existed at the sighting.
 

Magnetic Poles

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Now the problem is finding scripture to support this idea.

Is it possible that we could "peek" into that realm we wouldn't be able to handle it? There are somethings perhaps we don't need to know.
So instead, let's just follow any wild idea because it "could" be true. :rolleyes:
 

Winman

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I've seen one myself. I don't know what they are; however, I know what they are not - and that's human. I won't go into detail, but I'm sure there's nothing man-made that can perform a hovering manuver in the extreme weather conditions that existed at the sighting.

I wish you would go into detail, it is detail that helps determine whether an account is geniune or false.

I did not see distant lights travelling across the sky, the objects I saw were extremely close to me. The first object I described was probably no more than 500 feet from me, the second object was probably less than 200 feet away from me. If they were any further away they would have been enormous objects. Both were seen under clear conditions, and I had a witness with the first object. I got a clear and detailed look at both objects.

Trust me, if you see one of these objects up close, you will know they are not man-made.
 

webdog

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The Bible says that demons and angels can do this sort of thing. The Bible says that demons can inhabit living things. NOWHERE does the Bible say that demons can take on the shape of a manufactured device or a mechanical construct.

It's just too big of a leap for me to accept that a spiritual being can assume the shape and characteristics of a solid, non-living object. Why would Christ cause demons to enter into a herd of swine and subsequently the swine jump off a cliff if He could have just as easily banished them to assuming the shape of a rock or an oxen yoke?

Angels and demons do more than inhabit humanity, they take on human form which is material. Its an argument from silence either way that they can or cannot take on other forms.
 

Aaron

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Now you're making them creators. If they have no corporeal bodies to begin with, they cannot create them in which to appear.
 

Aaron

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A lot of Christians "can't handle" the fact that fallen angels - bene ha Elohim - took on humanoid bodies and had intercourse
with human women - bath 'Adam - and produced hybrids - Nephilim. Genesis 6

There will be a return of these fallen angels, in mass, when they are "cast to the earth" during the Tribulation. Who knows what "form" they will assume.
See above.
 

blackbird

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Now you're making them creators. If they have no corporeal bodies to begin with, they cannot create them in which to appear.
I agree with Aaron here---thinking right off of the gospel accounts of the "wild man of Gadara" in which he was possessed of Legion "for we are many"

Jesus was about to cast them out and they then begged Jesus to let them "go into the swine"

They didn't answer Jesus with a smart mouthed---"Go ahead---cast us out----we'll just turn ourselves into a human like the one we're leaving here!!"
 

beameup

Member
See above.

Angels have bodies. More specifically they have "spiritual bodies" oikētērion.
As well, they can "materialize" into our dimensions. At the Tribulation
they (along with Satan) will be cast to terra firma (earth).
Demons are disembodied spirits and are created by Satan. Satan is currently
under some restraints, but during the Tribulation will be "unleashed" (unchained) for a time.

Jude 6: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation-[oikētērion],
he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. [see Gen 6]

II Cor 5:2: For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house-[oikētērion] which is from heaven.
 

webdog

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Now you're making them creators. If they have no corporeal bodies to begin with, they cannot create them in which to appear.

I never made them anything. If God allows them to be seen as whatever He wishes, who are you to tell Him otherwise? Did the angels that appeared to Abraham inhabit other humans or did they take on the form of humans? Same with us entertaining them while unaware. Inhabit humans...take form of humans?
 

righteousdude2

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Just a Thought That May Mean Something to You!

So instead, let's just follow any wild idea because it "could" be true. :rolleyes:

Just because you haven't seen "one" doesn't mean those who have are crazy or delusional.

Not everybody has the chronic pain that I suffer 24/7/365, and no one can see the cause of my pain (neuropathy and degenerative disc disease), but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, nor is it a figment of my imagination, or just in my head.

You should know better than others, MP, as you are coming off a "rare form of cancer" and just because those who never had what you are diagnosed with doesn't mean you are crazy or delusional.

There are times we must trust in what our brothers and sisters say.

I know what I witnessed in the sky over my elementary school in 1957, and I had a host of witnesses, including school staff and teachers who witnessed the same thing. I know I've never seen it again, and doubt I will, still, what I saw that day was real. Maybe it was a massive demonic lie, but it happened to more than 400 others, and that can't be taken away.

Before you make fun at anothers expense, keep in mind that the experience is real in the eye of the beholder, and I know you understand this, as well as I do! Of course, I'm jus' sayin' it may be real?

Shalom, and prayers for your continued healing,

Pastor Paul :type:
 
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