Saved after the Rapture????

I will reply back to you about Ezekiel chapter 37 to 39. I understand them very clearly, what I have been read and study lately few years ago. I am happy to discuss on Ezekiel 37-39 later this week.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

I always look forward to reading what you post and so I will on this issue of Gog and Magog.

 

I disagree. HIstorical premillinnialism
includes both those who follow the Biblical
two pronged Second Advent of Jesus and those
who follow the simplistic 24-hour-day
return of Jesus.

 

Hey, Ed, how are things in the Indian Nation today?

Ed, you know that there is no 2-stage Second Advent in church history before Darby. Therefore, you are not historical premillennialism.

Here is what you are according to Holman Dictionary:

"Dispensational premillennialism takes the thousand years to be literal both as to fact and number. The millennium is seen to follow a seven-year tribulation period. At the beginning of the tribulation, the church will be taken out of the world. This rapture of the church is seen as the first phase of the second coming of Christ. During the millennium, Christ will reign on the earth with His saints while Satan is bound in the bottomless pit. The Jews as a nation are seen to have a major place in the events of the millennial period. This view of future events also incorporates many other aspects of biblical prophecy, such as a second phase of Christ’s return following the millennium."

 

Holman Dictionary: " ... a second phase of Christ’s return following the millennium"

That is nothing like what Dispensational premillennialism
is about. This Dictionary is in error here

And have a good day, i need to run to work.

 

So then we all agree.
No gentiles will be saved after the
pretribulation rapture/resurrection.
(in that they will live after salvation)
Jews shall be saved during the
post-rapture Tribulation Period, this is
what the Tribulation is planned for.

 

No, we don't agree with that Darby stuff.

 

i totally disargee with darby's man made doctrine.

hebrew 9:27 is meaning to you ? all people have an appointed once with last judgment day it does not saying after death or remian alive to get another second chance saved at second coming of christ.

deafposttrib know me i was in deaf bible college, i was taked revelation class for spring semester. teacher is passing out exam to all student in class i looking at question on exam saying another chance to get saved at rapture/second coming of christ. i put input answer on exam no there is no another chance to get saved after rapture. teacher give me wrong answer.

second question matthew 13:24-30 and 37-42, 44-50 is meaning to you ? does christ saying another chance to get saved after rapture /second coming of christ.

third question matthew 8:13-14 is meaning to you ? does christ saying there is another second chance to get saved after rapture/second coming of christ ?

four question matthew 9:37-38 is meaning to you ?

brumleyj
amem

 

brumleyj,

AMEN!! PREACH IT!!

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

I don't strongly hold to any of the end time interpretations. My take from the Bible is that there are only two important things to be concerned about:

1) Christ is returning in glory and we don't know when, and

2) Be ready for Him, i.e. be certain of your salvation.


I personally don't believe in the Rapture and to put your hope in being saved after it is not wise.

 

straightandnarrow,

1. yes Christ will return in glory at second coming

2. yes we must be ready and watch for Jesus Christ's second coming. according to matthew 24:36-51 and matthew 25.

brumleyj
amem

 

Darby holds sway in American theology. All we read in Evangelical and Fundamentalist theology from America is the Darby point of view. It is a worldwide minority opinion and so ill-founded on the Scripture that it lacks a single verse to support the idea of a two-stage rapture. It is an emotional theory that mostly says, "I'm too scared of the Antichrist to want to suffer for Jesus under Antichrist so Jesus has to come and get me then because I'm so good."

 

Church Mouse Guy: "All we read in Evangelical and Fundamentalist theology from America is the Darby point of view. It is a worldwide minority opinion ... "

Rom 11:29 (Geneva Bible):

For the giftes and calling of God are without repentance.

 

And what does the gifts and calling of God have to do with seeing the Antichrist? It merely enforces the fact that the Holy Spirit will be with us and that we will be kept just as Israel was passed over.

 

Church mouse guy: "Darby holds sway in American theology"

And rightly so, For that is what God called Darby
to do.

Church mouse guy: //It is an emotional theory that mostly says, "I'm too scared of the Antichrist to want to suffer for Jesus under Antichrist so Jesus has to come and get me then because I'm so good."//

Thank you for your slander. I'm sure God has some blessing
in it for me.

I thought it was strange in THE HISTORY OF THE
CHURCH by Eusevius that people used to brag about
how their martyrdom was likety to be better than the
other.
I really have yet to hear folks braggin' about how
good they are that they will get raptured out before
the tribulation day.

Who will get saved after the pretribulation
rapture:

-no gentiles save those who get their heads
chopped off
-100% of the Jews who believe that Jesus
is their Messiah

 

Can you quote one verse of Scripture to support this nonsensical statement? Also, from your initial post, when have Messianic Jews become prophets of God?

In fact this entire question, Can anyone be saved after the rapture?, is ridiculous. Scripture teaches [John 5:28,29] that there is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture but a general resurrection and judgment.

Hebrews 9:28 tells us: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

This passage teaches that Jesus Christ came the first time to die for our sins [not to establish a Messianic Kingdom] and that he will appear a second time only without sin unto salvation. There is no mention of a third coming anywhere in Scripture.

 

And rightly so, For that is what God called Darby
to do.

</font>[/QUOTE]I believe that Darby may be a fulfillment of the prophecy of Jesus Christ in Luke 17:1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!

 

OldRegular: "Also, from your initial post,
when have Messianic Jews become prophets of God?"

Tee, Hee -- look at what you said
All the prophets of God in The New Testament
save Luke were "Messianic Jews": Jews who
believe that Jesus was the Messiah.

Maybe you should ammend the statement to say:
"From your initial post, when have current
Messianic Jews become special prophets of God?"

Which reminds me, i do a lot of shorthand also.
I am not totally 100% sure that Gentiles will be
NOT saved on the Tribulation Day. What i read though,
indicates it is unlikely except for those who
are stillborn (killed when they confess "Jesus is Lord"
in faith). The Tribulation Day is for the salvation
of a maximum number of Jews, not gentiles.
But always God is merciful so it might be some
gentiles get saved on the Tribulation Day.
So when I say "no gentiles save those who get
their heads chopped off" insert this caveat paragraph.

OldRegular: "There is no mention of a third coming anywhere in Scripture."

There is no mention of velcro in the Scripture.
That doesn't keep me from holding my shoes on with
vescro. By the same token "first" does not mean
"one and only one", "second" does not mean "one and
only one".

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Comparing the rapture/resurrection (R) AKA: gathering
with the Second Advent (SC): when Jesus comes
to destroy the Antichrist and set up the
Millennial Kingdom AKA: Glorious Appearance.

1R. Jesus comes for His own ( given physical bodies)
(John 14:3, 1 Thess 4:17)
1SC. Jesus comes with His own (already have physical bodies) (Rev 19:14)

2R. Jesus comes in the air (1 Thes 4:17)
2SC. Jesus comes to the earth
(Zech 14:4-5, Acts 1:11)

3R. Jesus comes to claim His Bride
(1 Thess 4:16-17)
3SC. Jesus comes with His Bride
(Rev 19:6-14)

4R. end of the Gentile Age
(Matthew 24:3, 24:31-44)
4SC. end of the Tribulation Period
(Revelation 19)

5R. Tribulation period begins
5SC. Millennial Kingdom begins

6R. Saved are delivered from wrath
(1 Thes 1:10, 5:9; Rev 3:10)
6SC. Unsaved experience the wrath of God
(Rev 6:12-17)

7R. No Signs precede the Rapture
(1 Thess. 5:1-3, Matthew 24:31-44)
7SC. Signs precede the Second Coming
(Luke 21-11-28, Matthew 24:21-30)

8R. Focus: Lord and Church
(1 Thess 4:13-18)
8SC. Focus: Israel and kingdom
(Romans 11)

9R. World is deceived (2 Thess 2:3-12)
9SC. Satan is bound (Rev 20:1-2)

10R. No judgement mentioned on earth
10SC. Follows the Tribulation period
judgement and followed by the sheep/goats
judgement.

11R. Time of joy. (1Thessalonians 4:17-18)
11SC. Time of sorrow. (Matthew 24:30)

12R. relative peace and prosperity. (Lk.17:26-30).
12SC. the worst war the world has ever seen. (Mt.24:21,22).
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If two things are different, then they aren't the same.
The Bible clearly teaches two parts of the Second
Coming of Jesus with two purposes.
Even posties believe that these two things
willhappen the same day. The posties say it is
a 12-hour daylight period. I say it is a
7-year-day of Tribulation: coming 2A is the pretirbulation
rapture/resurrection, coming 2B is the destricution
of the antichrist and the setting up of a physical
millinnial kindom.

 

Ed

I ask you again the same old questions:

Please show us where a verse in the Bible saying Rapture will be occur 3 1/2 years or 7 years before Christ's coming?

Please show us where a verse in the Bible saying Christ shall come before tribulation?

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

Dear Sir:
Please show me a verse that says you have
the right to ask the same question again.
You won't find one.

Things that are different are not the same.
I showed above twelve differences between
two comings of Jesus for two seperate
purposes. Collectively they are called
THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST. You have
lost the debate about pretribulation
rapture/resurrection because you failed
to knock down any of the sub-arguments.

Strangely we both come to the same conclusion
on this topic from our different directions.
DeafPostTrib is a-mill and post-trib so he
must say no gentile will
be saved after the rapture because the
world ends at the rapture.
Ed is pre-mill and oretrib so he must
say no gentile will be saved after
the rapture because then it is time
for the Jews to be saved by recieving
Jesus as their Messiah.