No, we haven't, but evidently you have. Who is ergun caner?
So, you want a biblical mandate for calvinism, but you do not want a biblical mandate for baptism?
How do you place calvinism ahead of baptism for importance among baptists?
I have never known 'calvinism' to be labeled a baptist distinctive, but I have always known baptism to be a distinctive.
So, you want a biblical mandate for calvinism, but you do not want a biblical mandate for baptism?
How do you place calvinism ahead of baptism for importance among baptists?
I have never known 'calvinism' to be labeled a baptist distinctive, but I have always known baptism to be a distinctive.
Martin said:==Been listening to Ergun Caner have we? :laugh:
Baptists have been both Calvinistic and non-Calvinistic. There is no "one" definition of a Baptist when it comes to this issue. So I don't know how to take the assertion that "Baptists have been...Baptists".
==Again this is not about John Calvin, this is about a system of theology that has (rightly or wrongly) been labeled with his name (ie...Calvinism). This system of theology was around before John Calvin and it would be here if Calvin had never been born. This is about the Baptist Church and that system of theology that is labeled with Calvin's name (Calvinism).
==I am not talking about baptism, church government, or church/state issues. I am talking about the points of Calvinism that have been agreed upon by many who were/are Baptists (see the abstracts).
==The "five points" of "Calvinism" are Biblically based. That is one reason why they were around before Calvin, why they would be around if Calvin had not been born, and that is why many Baptists have adopted those theological positions.