SBC decades of sexual abuse revealed in investigation

[NoWelch'sPlease]

I wonder if the same people who clamor for the shut down of the Catholic Church will be the same ones clamoring for the shut down of the Baptist church. Wonder if they will demand that the Baptist church hold a garage sale of anything of value in their churches? Call for the execution of the perpetrators? Accuse anyone who follows the Baptist denomination of being a "blind sheep" manipulated by a major religion or accuse them of being perverts themselves?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/reli...igation/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.bb71de992829

From what I've seen, unless people are ignorant of, or in denial of, scandal in their own church, they are not attacking the Catholic Church.

As far as shutting down the Catholic Church, that can't happen. Matthew 16:18 says, "...and the gates of the netherworld shall never prevail against it."

 

[HankD]

Luke 17:1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offenses will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!
2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

 

[NoWelch'sPlease]

Yes, they are "ABC." "Baptist" is not a denomination.

But, "ABC" is a denomination.

 

[NoWelch'sPlease]

Is this the defense they took in the confessional?

Who?

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Who?

Sorry 'bout that.

Two Catholic cardinals say 'homosexuality' is to blame for sexual abuse committed by priests | Daily Mail Online

• Said the abuse crisis was to be blamed on homosexuality - not abusing priests

The devil made them do it!

 

[Squire Robertsson]

While the SBC and the ABC may consider themselves to be denominations, the word Baptist does not. It is better thought of as a galaxy in the Christian universe.

 

[NoWelch'sPlease]

Sorry 'bout that.

Two Catholic cardinals say 'homosexuality' is to blame for sexual abuse committed by priests | Daily Mail Online

• Said the abuse crisis was to be blamed on homosexuality - not abusing priests

The devil made them do it!

I don't think you understand confession. And I still do not understand who you are saying took this to confession.

Usually, people who do this awful thing do not think there is anything wrong with it.

Also, confession requires contrition, not defense.

 

[NoWelch'sPlease]

the word Baptist does not

The word, Baptist, does not consider itself to be a denomination?

 

[MartyF]

I wonder if the same people who clamor for the shut down of the Catholic Church will be the same ones clamoring for the shut down of the Baptist church. Wonder if they will demand that the Baptist church hold a garage sale of anything of value in their churches? Call for the execution of the perpetrators? Accuse anyone who follows the Baptist denomination of being a "blind sheep" manipulated by a major religion or accuse them of being perverts themselves?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/reli...igation/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.bb71de992829

I think more should have been done at the Seminary/College levels. Now SBC only have control over seminaries and most colleges have freed themselves from all outside church ties. However, anyone who tried to hide a rape allegation, he knew was true, should be permanently removed from leadership positions. In addition, in those areas where Baptist churches don't have power over the organization anymore, efforts should be made to distance themselves from that organization - like Baylor.

Individual churches should not neglect their duty to report verifiable sexual misconduct, so that an abuser does not obtain a new position.

That being said, except at the colleges and seminaries, the problem does not seem to be systematic as it was in Catholicism.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

The word, Baptist, does not consider itself to be a denomination?

I believe I explained myself in the following sentence.

It is better thought of as a galaxy in the Christian universe.

At its core, each Baptist Church is autonomous. The most even the SBC can do to a church is disfellowship it.

 

[Salty]

While the SBC and the ABC may consider themselves to be denominations,
the word Baptist does not. It is better thought of as a galaxy in the Christian universe.

The SBC and ABC are a denomination ONLY because of similar beliefs,
Just a Baptists are a "denomination ONLY because of similar beliefs.
We as Baptists, indep, ABC, GARBC, BBF.........ect are NOT a denomination in the hireachary definition of a denomination.

Big difference from Protestants groups -that have actual control over local churches to whatever extent. Could be very minor -
to the point the denomination Headquarters own the actual building.

 

[Salty]

Wonder what defense Baptist churches are concocting to defend their scum-bag pedophiles. Don't believe they cover it up? I am prepared to post link after link of Baptist cover ups

Walter - the sins of Baptist preachers - and yes there are some - does NOT excuse what sexwal sins a Roman Catholic "priest" commits.

As far as "baptist churchES" concocting - it doesnt happen! Now an individual Baptist church (notice - singular - not plural) may do so - and not other group has any other authority over them. Doesnt make it right - but those are the facts. Thus posting link after link is not necessary as we agree that pastors in a (singular) local Baptist church are scrumbags - and if that local church refused to do something -....

 

[Salty]

[QUOTE="Walter, post: 2482279, member: 11158] " The overwhelming majority of the public would describe them as denominations as well.[/QUOTE]

and the overwhelming majority of liberals like to call mainline conservatives - extreme right wing idiots - or other such names.

Thus just because people think something, does not make it true..
and part of the reason is that many people do NOT understand the proper definition of terms.

 

[Walter]

Walter - the sins of Baptist preachers - and yes there are some - does NOT excuse what sexwal sins a Roman Catholic "priest" commits.

As far as "baptist churchES" concocting - it doesnt happen! Now an individual Baptist church (notice - singular - not plural) may do so - and not other group has any other authority over them. Doesnt make it right - but those are the facts. Thus posting link after link is not necessary as we agree that pastors in a (singular) local Baptist church are scrumbags - and if that local church refused to do something -....

Can you point us to a post where I claimed that the Baptists pastors who are molesting (only the Lord knows how many) children in the name of Jesus excuses priests doing the same? Anytime the many sins of Baptists 'minister's are brought to light the members of this board will either say it is a Catholic attempt to deflect (have the post to prove it) off the crisis in the Catholic Church or say 'yeah, but ain't as bad as the Evil Cat'lic Church!' The Catholic Church.is conducting a summit to end the crisis in our church. As the scandal grows in your churches, it seems like you are content to bury your heads. Just my opinion

 

[Salty]

Walter, you are missing a very important point - you keep complaining about the fact, that Baptists are not doing anything to remove a pastor who is breaking the law. The reason being is that no person or group has the authority to remove a Baptist pastor from the pulpit, other then by the majority vote of the members of that local church. As an individual who is not a member of that local Baptist church - all I could do is alert the civil authorities of a crime. - But I would make sure I had sufficient evidence before doing so.

Yes, in the RCC, the Bishop or higher RCC authority is able to remove a RCC priest,as you have a hierarchy denomination.