1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

SBC to continue sacrificing children?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by James_Newman, Jun 15, 2006.

  1. Bro Tony

    Bro Tony New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2004
    Messages:
    2,398
    Likes Received:
    0
    Joseph,

    I agree with your post. My point was to try to distinguish between teach and tell or dictate. If we teach them biblically they will be equipped to raise their children in a biblical manner.

    Bro Tony
     
  2. Aubre

    Aubre New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2006
    Messages:
    60
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't think it is wise to paint all public schools with the same brush. There are many very good public schools. I am not worried about my child getting a Christian education because I will be providing that for him, as is my duty.
     
  3. Benjamin

    Benjamin Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    8,454
    Likes Received:
    1,173
    Faith:
    Baptist
    No!, the church shouldn’t be "telling" parents how to raise their children, but the church should focus more on teaching parents how to raise their children to be lights in the world. I can’t think of too many things more important for a church to do than to concentrate on the families and have them portray a positive image in the world.

    Look at the divorce rate among church going Christians they are just as high as in the secular population, what a joke! The answer is certainly not to pull away and hide ourselves or our children in these failures toward family education and understanding of biblical values.
     
  4. donnA

    donnA Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2000
    Messages:
    23,354
    Likes Received:
    0
    Nothing in scripture tells us we must home school. And church does not control my home, my husband and I do. SBC children aren't the only children going to public school. So your attack is aimed specifically at SBC families, what other churches are you also attacking for not home schooling? What is wrong with christian families teaching their children scripture at home, giving them a christian education, along with their public school education? At least then they aren't sheltered not knowing whats going on in the world. When those kids go to college they are going to meet an anti christian world they had no idea existed and be unprepared for it.
    Sacrificing children, how absurd, why would anyone want to attck christians like that.
     
  5. NateT

    NateT Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2000
    Messages:
    886
    Likes Received:
    0
    Since statistics show essentially nobody tithes, I'm not sure it would have much impact. Those who tithe would continue and those who aren't would have one more excuse to not do it.
     
  6. Joshua Rhodes

    Joshua Rhodes <img src=/jrhodes.jpg>

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2003
    Messages:
    3,944
    Likes Received:
    0
    I had both of my parents as teachers. My dad was my band director, and my mom was my choir director. I can honestly say that I'm glad we went to public school. And with my daughter, unless we are otherwise led, she will attend public school as well. The home-schooled kids I have in my youth group and some that I knew growing up were stunted socially. I understand now that there are groups of home-schooled kids that get together to keep this from happening.
     
  7. mcdirector

    mcdirector Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2005
    Messages:
    8,292
    Likes Received:
    11
    This makes the huge assumption that people are tithing. I've seen the percentages on how many families give in specific ranges and I don't think it's happening.
     
  8. mcdirector

    mcdirector Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2005
    Messages:
    8,292
    Likes Received:
    11
    All right, so lets recommend that everyone homeschool. Now lets say that I'm just not capable for whatever reason. What kind of stigma is attached to that? Am I less godly, stupid, or perhaps I just had a good experience in public school?
     
  9. mcdirector

    mcdirector Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2005
    Messages:
    8,292
    Likes Received:
    11
    I taught both my sons. What a joyous (and at times frustrating) thing it was.

    Now when the kids got to HS, we decided to send the oldest to public HS. This is our MDiv son. This was a really tough decision for us, but we did have a myriad of reasons and felt at peace about it. This kid was so bold. He shared his testimony with kids and teachers alike. He humbly confronted a teacher who was anti-christian.

    Now our youngest -- we kept in private school. The hardest year I had was his first year in college because I'd literally been with him daily. We ate lunch together at least once a week. He came by my classes and waved or gave me a hug or kiss. I knew his friends and they didn't hesitate to come by either. I didn't know how hard him graduating would be on mom!
     
  10. gb93433

    gb93433 Active Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2003
    Messages:
    15,550
    Likes Received:
    15
    Then explain why the church is growing the fastest in countries where persecution is the most and kids are required to attend state schools. During communism we saw some of the most dedicated Christians the world has known and distinctly different.

    The fact is that before compulsory education we had a lot of ignorance while the rich had educated children.

    In Judaism it was not the parents who educated children.

    I can tell you from a teacher's perspective that the students involved with parachurch organizations are typically much stronger than kids in church youth groups. I for one never heard the gospel until a fellow student in the Navigators spoke to me about Christ. Two of my friends in high school were involved in church youth groups. Not one of them ever invited me to church or a Bible study or youth event.
     
    #30 gb93433, Jun 16, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 16, 2006
  11. TaterTot

    TaterTot Guest

    Both our daughters attend the school where I teach, and for us, its a wonderful set-up. I am not against public school at all, am a product of it, and loved it. And if I werent teaching at my current school, our girls would be in public school.
    Also, we have so many kids that come to our church that dont know or really care yet what it means to be SBC. Their parents dont care a lick and are just glad they are outta the house for a while. Those kids wont ever be put in private or home school. What do we do with those students? They are part of the church family too!
     
  12. Seth&Mattsmom

    Seth&Mattsmom New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2005
    Messages:
    87
    Likes Received:
    0
    I am a horrible introvert and my son has been categoried as "at risk for Autism"...meaning he is special needs with language and social delays.

    We get free special needs education from the public schools.

    My kids will never be homeschooled. Unless we are somehow blessed in the future financially and private schools all of a sudden integrate special needs kids into the regular classroons, we will never use private schools either.

    I am blessed to have the public school system help us with a child we were unprepared to have. We thought he was normal until he was 18 months old. And I am not a bad or lazy Christian. I am grateful to God for giving us the things we need for free.
     
  13. donnA

    donnA Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2000
    Messages:
    23,354
    Likes Received:
    0
    Seth&Mattsmom, my son had a learning disability, he got free specialized education in public school too, education I could not have provided otherwise and christian schools will not go near.
    Churches are providing christian education to our children, that I know of at our church we have Sunday school, RA's and GA's, discipleship training, bible drills, VBS, children's choir, those are1-6 grades and I am not sure of everything for younger, but we have several programs to teach them also. Not to mention families teaching their own children, which is their responsibility.
    I thought Baptist churches were autonomous, not under an outside church rule, that would make us RCC wouldn't it. The SBC can not tell churches and members to yank their kids out of school and expect people to do it. Of course we wouldn't be baptists anymore would we.
    This is nothing more then an attack on christians, which is a real shame coming from a christian. I would think you'd have something better to do then attack christians.
     
  14. Seth&Mattsmom

    Seth&Mattsmom New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2005
    Messages:
    87
    Likes Received:
    0
    You didn't mean me, did you? I was just chiming in to say how happy I am to have the public school. I wasn't trying to attack anyone.
     
  15. mcdirector

    mcdirector Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2005
    Messages:
    8,292
    Likes Received:
    11
    I didn't read Donna's post that way at all Mom !
     
  16. James_Newman

    James_Newman New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2004
    Messages:
    5,013
    Likes Received:
    0
    Don't worry sister, she means me. I don't care if you call this an attack on Christians. It is an attack on Christian apathy, on making 'education' an idol, on the spirit of lame excuses. Everyone can come up with some reason why they have to send their children to public school, the Lord judge between me and thee. If what I have to say about public school is offensive to you, so be it. I went to public school, and it took years to wash the stink off me.

    It's a shame though that Christians will allow the world 40 hours a week to indoctrinate their children and then think the meager amount of time they spend at church is going to somehow put a shield around them and keep them from going astray. My sister-in-law finally came to the conclusion that she needed to homeschool their daughters when some boy at school told her oldest (8 years old, mind you) about an adult movie that he had watched. But then it was proving difficult so they gave up and sent the kids right back into the filth.
     
  17. Joseph_Botwinick

    Joseph_Botwinick <img src=/532.jpg>Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2000
    Messages:
    17,527
    Likes Received:
    0
    James,

    You are entitled to your opinion, but it is just that...your opinion. There is no scriptural mandate for us to pull our children out of public schools. Therefore, not doing so is not "Christian Apathy" as you call it. Further, as I already pointed out, this resolution did not do what you think it did.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  18. DeeJay

    DeeJay New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2005
    Messages:
    1,916
    Likes Received:
    0
    I did not need a denomenation or the church to tell me to not put my kid in public education.


    I put my kid in a Christian school and am happy to pay the money. The enviroment is safer and she is way ahead in their education compaired to public school kids.
     
  19. PastorSBC1303

    PastorSBC1303 Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2003
    Messages:
    15,125
    Likes Received:
    1
    Exactly right, amen!
     
  20. Benjamin

    Benjamin Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2004
    Messages:
    8,454
    Likes Received:
    1,173
    Faith:
    Baptist
    If my denomination (SBC) had told me to put my child in a private school I would have told them to get lost!

    My daughter’s last scores on the Stanford 9 test averaged to 99.3 nationally, so I don’t think there was any lack of education for not attending a private school. In her case it’s the other kids that aren’t safe from being witnessed too, as a matter of fact she’s had her share of ridicule for Christian values and has learned and is learning to be tough and persuasive in her responses.

    She just graduated 8th grade as President of the NJHS and received 2 out of the 4 outstanding accomplishments awards for math and music. Her teacher cried and said he loved her dearly when announcing the math award, she impacted him and several of the students with her loving heart and I could be happier or prouder of her that she did it in a public school while being recognized as a Christian.
     
Loading...