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[Judith]

While I am currently a member of a Baptist church I would leave any church that remains part of the SBC after this. This is a sad testimony for the faith.
http://christiannews.net/2014/10/31...nly-gay-christians-break-bread-at-conference/

 

[matt wade]

I agree with you. Put your fire suit on however...the SBC supporters are going to come out in full force and start blasting.

 

[Don]

Judith - thanks for the link. I'm gonna take this to our trustees, who believe the same way I do; and then we'll talk to our county and state associations.

I foresee this causing a split in the SBC....

 

[annsni]

Does anyone have a full transcript or a video of what was said? I know that Al Mohler clearly stands on the Biblical teaching that homosexuality is wrong. Period.

Denying sexual orientation IS wrong. There ARE those who sinfully are drawn to those of the same gender. In the same way, some are drawn to anger and violence and some are drawn to polygamy. I'm drawn to jealousy at times. But does that mean I embrace it? No. Nor is Mohler advocating anything like that.

From ThinkProgress: "But Mohler immediately went on to address the “revisionists,” advocates like Matthew Vines who do not believe the Bible condemns homosexuality and are encouraging others to similarly rethink their theology. “If the revisionist arguments are right, then we’ve got to join them,” Mohler said. “I don’t believe for a minute they are right.”"

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/10/30/3586418/southern-baptist-erlc-homosexuality/

Let's be careful what we allow ungodly news organizations to report. What they report and what is the truth is often quite the opposite.

Here is an article from him regarding a church in the SBC endorsing same sex relationships and Mohler's words on the issue:

http://www.albertmohler.com/2014/09/24/homosexuality-as-dividing-line-the-inescapable-issue/

 

[Thousand Hills]

Does anyone have a full transcript or a video of what was said? I know that Al Mohler clearly stands on the Biblical teaching that homosexuality is wrong. Period.

Denying sexual orientation IS wrong. There ARE those who sinfully are drawn to those of the same gender. In the same way, some are drawn to anger and violence and some are drawn to polygamy. I'm drawn to jealousy at times. But does that mean I embrace it? No. Nor is Mohler advocating anything like that.

From ThinkProgress: "But Mohler immediately went on to address the “revisionists,” advocates like Matthew Vines who do not believe the Bible condemns homosexuality and are encouraging others to similarly rethink their theology. “If the revisionist arguments are right, then we’ve got to join them,” Mohler said. “I don’t believe for a minute they are right.”"

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/10/30/3586418/southern-baptist-erlc-homosexuality/

Let's be careful what we allow ungodly news organizations to report. What they report and what is the truth is often quite the opposite.

Here is an article from him regarding a church in the SBC endorsing same sex relationships and Mohler's words on the issue:

http://www.albertmohler.com/2014/09/24/homosexuality-as-dividing-line-the-inescapable-issue/

Good points Ann,

As typical here on BB the OP provides a snippet from which everyone is encouraged to make a rash decision.

Here's another take on the conference:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/southern-baptists-pastors-hold-line-gays-26515735

Speakers at the event said they understood they were on the losing end of the culture war on marriage. But they were prepared to be the voice of a moral minority because gay marriage is a "rejection of God's law," according to Mohler.

"I'm not worried about churches in our tradition conforming to the culture. I'm worried about them not effectively engaging the culture," (Russell) Moore said in an interview. "We have to be able to speak with conviction about what we believe. We have to speak to people."

I've been a vocal critic of the SBC here many times over various issues. But thankful for men like Mohler, Moore, and Platt who are in such crucial roles at this time in history.

 

[gigabyte71]

So did anyone actually read the entire article? There is nothing there that would suggest the SBC supported homosexuality, on the contrary, sounded more like they reaffirmed their Biblical stance against it.

 

[Jerome]

For several years, Mohler has been saying that it isn't a choice and that Southern Baptists need to repent of their homophobia.

 

[Zenas]

For several years, Mohler has been saying that it isn't a choice and that Southern Baptists need to repent of their homophobia.

Mohler is right. For most it is not a choice, but that doesn't justify hom*s**ual behavior. Ann got it right here. Many or us are drawn to certain sinful behavior. The one I have to fight against is liaisons with women. So there is really not much new here. I will go the library and read the whole article, and if I learn there is something new here, I will post again.

 

[annsni]

For several years, Mohler has been saying that it isn't a choice and that Southern Baptists need to repent of their homophobia.

I agree with him. In speaking to even those who believe that homosexuality is wrong but struggle with those desires, it is clear that the desires are not a choice. The choice comes in what one does with the desires. Do we embrace them and allow them or do we say "Lord, this is a wrong desire. I give it to you and choose to follow you and your Word in obedience."?

I also do think that we need to address this issue head on without fear but with truth, love and grace.

 

[Revmitchell]

I am puzzled, I do not understand what would cause someone to leave the SBC over this.

 

[Judith]

Any and all sin is a choice or it is not sin. God does not ask of us more than we can achieve.
1Cor. 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

 

[Use of Time]

I am puzzled, I do not understand what would cause someone to leave the SBC over this.

Me either.

 

[Judith]

I am puzzled, I do not understand what would cause someone to leave the SBC over this.

The idea that the SBC is now open to accepting sin into the fellowship.

 

[JamesL]

Any and all sin is a choice or it is not sin. God does not ask of us more than we can achieve.
1Cor. 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

But the choice, and therefore sin, is the action.

It's possible to engage in same s&x acts and not be g@y, and it is possible to be g@y and not engage in the actions.

The desire, attraction, and inclination aren't sin, but giving in is.


Would you say someone is engaged in the sin of gluttony, just because they love Twinkies? Is a thief sinning when he resists the urge to steal?

Is it the perverted desire of the flesh which is sin, or is it the willful indulgence that makes the difference?


Someone great once wrote "it is no longer I who do it, but sin which dwells in me, that is, in my flesh."

Read Romans 7 for more

 

[Zaac]

While I am currently a member of a Baptist church I would leave any church that remains part of the SBC after this. This is a sad testimony for the faith.
http://christiannews.net/2014/10/31...nly-gay-christians-break-bread-at-conference/

NASHVILLE, Tenn.— A gathering of Southern Baptists here opened this week with Albert Mohler, stalwart head of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, apologizing for “denying the reality of sexual orientation,” but saying orientation “can change.”

It closed with a pastor saying “no one goes to hell for being homosexual,” but he added Christians must remind homosexual friends and family members that “the day of judgment is coming.”

The statements from the largest and one of the most conservative Protestant denominations made waves in the religious and gay communities. Some praised the Southern Baptist Convention for softening its tone and message when discussing homosexuals. Critics complained that nothing really had changed.

But others who attended said a shift was taking place. In private meetings and one-on-one encounters during the week, Southern Baptists and gay-rights advocates said they established relationships they hope will carry both sides through a time of deep cultural change, part
- See more at: http://christiannews.net/2014/10/31...eak-bread-at-conference/#sthash.Bf5YhApu.dpuf

I'm curious. What is it about this lil snippet of the article are people at odds with?

 

[Revmitchell]

The idea that the SBC is now open to accepting sin into the fellowship.

Where did anyone get that idea?

 

[annsni]

Where did anyone get that idea?

They don't read the facts.

 

[gigabyte71]

Where did anyone get that idea?

Likely from NOT actually reading the full article.

 

[Judith]

But the choice, and therefore sin, is the action.

It's possible to engage in same s&x acts and not be g@y, and it is possible to be g@y and not engage in the actions.

The desire, attraction, and inclination aren't sin, but giving in is.


Would you say someone is engaged in the sin of gluttony, just because they love Twinkies? Is a thief sinning when he resists the urge to steal?

Is it the perverted desire of the flesh which is sin, or is it the willful indulgence that makes the difference?


Someone great once wrote "it is no longer I who do it, but sin which dwells in me, that is, in my flesh."

Read Romans 7 for more

Your explaination is why people need to dump the SBC.

 

[Zaac]

Your explaination is why people need to dump the SBC.

??? I don't get it. Is there something else in the extended WJC article that I refuse to subscribe to read?