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SBC's Obama Dilemma
- Thread starter Crabtownboy
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Here's how I pray for the President
I pray every day that when he shows up for work in the Oval Office----that just like ole King Belshazzar---------that when Obama shows up in the Oval Office for work--------there will be a new inscription written on the four walls of that office
Lord-----scribe a new message everytime he sits down at that desk
Scribe the same message for him that you scribed for Belshazzar---
MENE TEKEL PERES
"Weighed in the balances and found wanting"
Drive the President to conviction of his sin and move him to repentance
It doesn't bother the Southern Baptist Convention that the President is African-American---------I guarantee you it doesn't-----------what bothers the greatest Protestant religion the most-----is the same thing that bothers the Roman Catholic religon---------his stand on moral and ethical issues--------the main one being abortion and just go down the road from there to the next issue the SBC has a problem with
But if you're asking-----will the President be "boo-ed" for being African-American???-------NO!!!
Will the President be "boo-ed" for his ultra liberal policies????
You betcha!!!!!
I pray every day that when he shows up for work in the Oval Office----that just like ole King Belshazzar---------that when Obama shows up in the Oval Office for work--------there will be a new inscription written on the four walls of that office
Lord-----scribe a new message everytime he sits down at that desk
Scribe the same message for him that you scribed for Belshazzar---
MENE TEKEL PERES
"Weighed in the balances and found wanting"
Drive the President to conviction of his sin and move him to repentance
It doesn't bother the Southern Baptist Convention that the President is African-American---------I guarantee you it doesn't-----------what bothers the greatest Protestant religion the most-----is the same thing that bothers the Roman Catholic religon---------his stand on moral and ethical issues--------the main one being abortion and just go down the road from there to the next issue the SBC has a problem with
But if you're asking-----will the President be "boo-ed" for being African-American???-------NO!!!
Will the President be "boo-ed" for his ultra liberal policies????
You betcha!!!!!
I think resolutions at conventions are stupid ideas...with the exception of the "thank you" to the hosts.
I'm not saying that there aren't some with which I might agree...but I think resolutions at the SBC and state conventions are a waste. They carry no weight, they often times are sources of contention, and they waste time that could be better spent elsewhere.
I mean...think of all the gambling pastors could do in Las Vegas, if they weren't stuck voting on resolutions...
PS, excellent points, Mr. Bird-of-Blackness...
I'm not saying that there aren't some with which I might agree...but I think resolutions at the SBC and state conventions are a waste. They carry no weight, they often times are sources of contention, and they waste time that could be better spent elsewhere.
I mean...think of all the gambling pastors could do in Las Vegas, if they weren't stuck voting on resolutions...
PS, excellent points, Mr. Bird-of-Blackness...
asking the Southern Baptist Convention to celebrate "the historic nature of the election of President Barack Hussein Obama as a significant contribution to the ongoing cause of racial reconciliation in the United States."
I could live with that. But I also agree that these resolutions are rather stupid overall.
I could live with that. But I also agree that these resolutions are rather stupid overall.
I wouldn't attend our annual convention. It is a waste of time, resources, and has just become a rally for these crazy resolutions.
BTW, if I did attend I would vote "yes" for this resolution. We are to pray for our leaders and we should be thankful that we have bridged one of the last racial divides in this country. I am so happy that we, as a nation, will be far less colorblind after President Obama leaves office than before.
I don't have to agree with everything a President does or believes to pray for him supportively and to be glad that he is a good leader. I am thankful for President Obama.
this does put our convention in a dilly of a pickle. I hope this makes it to the floor and that it gets a straight up and down vote. I also hope that those few people who attend this convention will vote for it because it is the proper thing to do.
BTW, if I did attend I would vote "yes" for this resolution. We are to pray for our leaders and we should be thankful that we have bridged one of the last racial divides in this country. I am so happy that we, as a nation, will be far less colorblind after President Obama leaves office than before.
I don't have to agree with everything a President does or believes to pray for him supportively and to be glad that he is a good leader. I am thankful for President Obama.
this does put our convention in a dilly of a pickle. I hope this makes it to the floor and that it gets a straight up and down vote. I also hope that those few people who attend this convention will vote for it because it is the proper thing to do.
I would vote no.
First of all, I do not consider BO an "African-American" - what ever that is.
Second - We should not make a big deal out of it anyways. Why aren't we making a resolution that he is the first President from Hawaii?, or the first President that - fill in the blank -.
As far as attending a SBC annual meeting - click on this BB thread.
First of all, I do not consider BO an "African-American" - what ever that is.
Second - We should not make a big deal out of it anyways. Why aren't we making a resolution that he is the first President from Hawaii?, or the first President that - fill in the blank -.
As far as attending a SBC annual meeting - click on this BB thread.
Yes
I have no problem with the resolution, so I will vote in the affirmative. If you are a Southern Bapitst you know that no resolution, whether coming from the national convention or state convention, is binding on any local church. SBC churches are autonomous and indigenous. No convention or association has authority over them. Approval of a resolution is simply an expression of the majority of the delegates who vote. Ideally, the delegates (or if you prefer, "messengers") express what they believe to be the will of their local church by their vote.
Some pastors will bring the resolutions back to their churches and present them to the church for its vote of approval or disapproval. I am not one of those pastors. I usually publish the major resolutions in the bulletin for informational purposes.
I have no problem with the resolution, so I will vote in the affirmative. If you are a Southern Bapitst you know that no resolution, whether coming from the national convention or state convention, is binding on any local church. SBC churches are autonomous and indigenous. No convention or association has authority over them. Approval of a resolution is simply an expression of the majority of the delegates who vote. Ideally, the delegates (or if you prefer, "messengers") express what they believe to be the will of their local church by their vote.
Some pastors will bring the resolutions back to their churches and present them to the church for its vote of approval or disapproval. I am not one of those pastors. I usually publish the major resolutions in the bulletin for informational purposes.
Offering a resolution which rejects Obama's politics and policies, but offers support to fight injustice is like giving the man a sewage-filled "Twinkie." It is outwardly sweet but inwardly nasty.
The only resolution that I could see that is worthy of consideration in regard to the president is one calling for prayer for God to change his heart and the direction of his policies.
My vote on the resolution being offered would be "NO!"
Roy
SeekingTruth
Member
A hearty AMEN Roy.
McKissic's qualifying remark about non-support of the O's policies is eyewash in an effort to gain support. Headlines would broadcast "SBC Support Obama" with no qualifiers. I would vote NO as many times as allowed. However, since I am no longer in an SBC church my vote wouldn't count anyhow.:wavey:
I would vote no,
1. SBC is a baptist, not government, this si for any US president not just Oabama
2. his stance on abortion and homosexuality goes against not just SBC views, but biblical views, are we to celebrate that?
3. SBC is baptist, why would we celebrate because a half black (or hispanic, or whoever may be president in the future, including a woman) is president, makes no sence.
SBC churches may be automous, but as you know, it always reflects on all of us whatever they vote to do, people see us all the same way.
Crabtown boy is for seperation of church and state, politics has nothing to do with christianity, never shall the two mingle, so I wonder what his vote would be? Would he vote yes and violate what he tells us here he beleives, or support his own belief and vote no?
1. SBC is a baptist, not government, this si for any US president not just Oabama
2. his stance on abortion and homosexuality goes against not just SBC views, but biblical views, are we to celebrate that?
3. SBC is baptist, why would we celebrate because a half black (or hispanic, or whoever may be president in the future, including a woman) is president, makes no sence.
SBC churches may be automous, but as you know, it always reflects on all of us whatever they vote to do, people see us all the same way.
Crabtown boy is for seperation of church and state, politics has nothing to do with christianity, never shall the two mingle, so I wonder what his vote would be? Would he vote yes and violate what he tells us here he beleives, or support his own belief and vote no?
Your right, things like just keep the races even more spertated, there can not be racial unity ever as long as people keep up the seperations like this.
Te very suggestion here is in itself racist.
Thinkingstuff
Active Member
Yeah, I'm tired of them keeping the Nascar folk separated from the dog races or the horse races or the Olympic races. Wait.... umm.... thats not what you mean....ooops...sorry.
Well, since I am not SBC, but ABC/USA, we already congratulated him on inauguration day. It was on the home page of our denomination that day.
Of course, ML King was ABC.. .so we have a very diverse denom.
As a matter of fact, if you go to http://www.abc-usa.org/ you will see an update by our General Secretary, Roy Medley, concerning a letter he wrote to Obama concerning Israel.
I guess that's the beauty of being ABC, we don't have to agree on everything to get along.
Of course, ML King was ABC.. .so we have a very diverse denom.
As a matter of fact, if you go to http://www.abc-usa.org/ you will see an update by our General Secretary, Roy Medley, concerning a letter he wrote to Obama concerning Israel.
I guess that's the beauty of being ABC, we don't have to agree on everything to get along.
Tim - we all are Baptists - part of our doctrine statement is to look hard for any difference so we can argue. I think it is Hezekiah 6:13 :laugh:
This is tricky for the SBC... which is better to be thought a bigot by folks on the outside who don't really know or to open up the floor and let the bigotry flow like a mighty river? You don't think the SBC leadership is dreading this baby coming up for a vote, boy howdy!
Here's my prediction: the SBC finds it's Baptist roots again and refuses to address this resolution because it now suddenly believes in religious freedom and the separation of church and state and doesn't think a religious organization should be making comments of any kind concerning political figures?!?!
Way to go Dwight make them squirm!
Here's my prediction: the SBC finds it's Baptist roots again and refuses to address this resolution because it now suddenly believes in religious freedom and the separation of church and state and doesn't think a religious organization should be making comments of any kind concerning political figures?!?!
Way to go Dwight make them squirm!
As usual I see the anti-conservatives are spouting in glee at what they believe (wrongly) to be a difficulty for the SBC.
You don't think the SBC leadership is worried how this resolution vote will be perceived in the non-SBC world or what someone might say in speaking to the resolution? Of course they are. It's a no win for the SBC and everyone knows it.
It's not an anti-conservative statement, it is however glee.
If the SBC wanted to be truly conservative they wouldn't say anything to any president other then we are praying for our leaders regardless of their party affiliation. No special video statements, no voter websites, not anything along those lines. The SBC stopped being conservative when it comes this topic years ago.
It's not an anti-conservative statement, it is however glee.
If the SBC wanted to be truly conservative they wouldn't say anything to any president other then we are praying for our leaders regardless of their party affiliation. No special video statements, no voter websites, not anything along those lines. The SBC stopped being conservative when it comes this topic years ago.