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Scary Parallel of 2/27 and 9/11
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Joseph_Botwinick
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Of course, the obvious differences between Bush and Hitler include:
1. Bush will leave office in January 2009.
2. Bush is not a dictator who has no checks and balances.
3. Bush is not arresting folks who speak out against his government, protest his "illegal" war at his home in Crawford, Texas.
Not only is it not to the extreme yet, but it is highly unlikely that it would ever get that way because of the checks and balances this government has which are not eroded by the Patriot Act. This is silly.
Joseph Botwinick
1. Bush will leave office in January 2009.
2. Bush is not a dictator who has no checks and balances.
3. Bush is not arresting folks who speak out against his government, protest his "illegal" war at his home in Crawford, Texas.
Not only is it not to the extreme yet, but it is highly unlikely that it would ever get that way because of the checks and balances this government has which are not eroded by the Patriot Act. This is silly.
Joseph Botwinick
Amen Dr. Bob, preach on. As someone who works for the government I see whats coming. They are depending on people like Joseph to blow their trumpet and say nothing is wrong, right up until they have total control of every person in the United States.
Just little things, like the fact tht all cell-phones must have GPS locators in them in 2006 onward. The phone can be interrogated without a warrant (even though it breaks the wiretapping act)--Homeland freedom claims it is to help find people who dial 911. This is true, but it is already being used by law enforcement to locate people.
All DOD workers now carry a card with their fingerprints, birth-date, SSN, place of birth, security clearance and all sorts of other information embedded in a microchip. Next month we have to start logging onto our computers (mandated) by using this card and a pin code.
The government wants control of everybody. Just watch, in the near future a background check will be required for ALL jobs and your credit rating and any crimes will prevent you from getting those jobs. The government already does it now.
Its coming, dude, just wait and see.
Our freedoms started being attacked long before Bush ever took office, and they will continue to be attacked with Hillary or any other member of the establishment in office. There are many dates throughout history when things happened in Washington to futher destroy our Constitutional Republic, 1860, 1913, 1933, etc.
There is a new documentary coming out soon that deals with some of this same topic:
http://www.freedomtofascism.com/
poncho
Well-Known Member
Aldous Huxley: The Ultimate Revolution: Huxley lectures on how 'terrorism' has always been used to 'standardise' and place into servitude the population. This speech was given at Berkeley March 20, 1962.
Click Here For Speech Clickface. Here For Q & A
He is also the author of Brave New World and brother to Julian Huxley a eugenicist who became the first Director-General of UNESCO in 1946.
I don't think people today want to believe they can be as easily manipulated as the 1920's-1940's Germans were. To admit that would be like admitting that they have believed a lie and lived their whole lives accordingly. That's not an easy thing to ask oneself to do. Much less to ask someone else to do it. Even if the evidence is overwhelming (which it is today) chances are people will be more willing to overlook it and try to deny it then to discuss it.
In this country it isn't even our leaders that determine the policy anymore it's the members of exclusive internationalist groups like the CFR and Trilaterals that dictate the policies to them.
And no, I didn't hack into Dr. Bob's computer or his mind. I'm opposed to such big brother tactics.
[ March 15, 2006, 04:17 AM: Message edited by: poncho ]
Click Here For Speech Clickface. Here For Q & A
He is also the author of Brave New World and brother to Julian Huxley a eugenicist who became the first Director-General of UNESCO in 1946.
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I don't think people today want to believe they can be as easily manipulated as the 1920's-1940's Germans were. To admit that would be like admitting that they have believed a lie and lived their whole lives accordingly. That's not an easy thing to ask oneself to do. Much less to ask someone else to do it. Even if the evidence is overwhelming (which it is today) chances are people will be more willing to overlook it and try to deny it then to discuss it.
Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
In this country it isn't even our leaders that determine the policy anymore it's the members of exclusive internationalist groups like the CFR and Trilaterals that dictate the policies to them.
And no, I didn't hack into Dr. Bob's computer or his mind. I'm opposed to such big brother tactics.
[ March 15, 2006, 04:17 AM: Message edited by: poncho ]
poncho
Well-Known Member
Everyone likes to say, "Hitler did this", and, "Hitler did that". But the truth is Hitler did very little. He was a world class tyrant, but the evil actually done by the Third Reich, from the death camps to WW2 was all done by German citizens who were afraid to question if what they were told by their government was the truth or not, and who because they did not want to admit to themselves that they were afraid to question the government, refused to see the truth behind the Reichstag Fire, refused to see the invasion by Poland was a staged fake, and followed Hitler into national disaster.
The German people of the late 1930s imagined themselves to be brave. They saw themselves as the heroic Germans depicted by the Wagnerian Operas, the descendants of the fierce Germanic warriors who had hunted wild boar with nothing but spears and who had defeated three of Rome's mightiest legions in the Tuetenberg Forest.
But in truth, by the 1930s, the German people had become civilized and tamed, culturally obsessed with fine details in both science and society. Their self-image of bravery was both salve and slavery. Germans were required to behave as if they were brave, even when they were not.
It's easy to look back and realize what a jerk Hitler was. But at the time, Hitler looked pretty good to the German people, with the help of the media. He was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. The German people assumed they were safe from a tyrant. They lived in a Republic, after all, with strict laws regarding what the government could and more importantly could not do. Their leader was a devoutly religious man, and had even sung with the boy's choir of a monastery in his youth.
The reality was that the German people, as individuals, had lost their courage. The German government preferred it that way as a fearful people are easier to rule than a courageous one. But the German people didn't wish to lose their self-image of courage. So, when confronted with a situation demanding individual courage, in the form of a government gone wrong, the German people simply pretended that the situation did not exist. And in that simple self-deception lay the ruin of an entire nation and the coming of the second World War.
When the Reichstag burned down, most Germans simply refused to believe suggestions that the fire had been staged by Hitler himself. They were afraid to. But so trapped were the Germans by their belief in their own bravery that they willed themselves to be blind to the evidence before their eyes, so that they could nod in agreement with Der Fuhrer while still imagining themselves to have courage, even as they avoided the one situation which most required real courage; to stand up to Hitler's lies and deceptions.
When Hitler requested temporary extraordinary powers, powers specifically banned under German law, but powers Hitler claimed he needed to have to deal with the "terrorists", the German people, having already sold their souls to their self-delusions, agreed. The temporary powers were conferred, and once conferred lasted until Germany itself was destroyed.
When Hitler staged a phony invasion from Poland, the vast majority of the German people, their own self-image dependant on continuing blindness to Hitler's deceptions, did not question why Poland would have done something so stupid, and found themselves in a war.
But Hitler knew he ruled a nation of cowards, and knew he had to spend the money to make the new war something cowards could fight and win. He decorated his troops with regalia to make them proud of themselves, further trapping them in their self-image. Hitler copied the parade regalia of ancient Rome, to remind the Germans of the defeat of the legions at the Tuetenberg Forest. Talismans were added from orthodox religions and the occult to fill the soldiers with delusions of mystical strengths and an afterlife if they fell in battle. Finally, knowing that it takes courage to kill the enemy face to face, Hitler spent vast sums of money on his wonder weapons, airplanes, submarines, ultra-long range artillery, the world's first cruise missile and the world's first guided missile, weapons that could be used to kill at a distance, so that those doing the killing need not have to face the reality of what they were doing.
The German people were lured into WW2 not because they were brave, but because they were cowards who wanted to be seen as brave, and found that shooting long range weapons at people they could not see took less courage than standing up to Hitler. Sent into battle by that false image of courage, the Germans were dependent on their wonder-weapons. When the wonder-weapons stopped working, the Germans lost the war.
I remember as a child listening to the stories of WW2 from my grandfather and my uncles who had served in Europe. I wondered how the German people could have been so stupid as to have ever elected Hitler dog catcher, let alone leader of the nation. Such is the clarity of historical hindsight. And with that clarity, I see the exact same mechanism that Hitler used at work here in this nation.
Click Here to read the rest of The Rise Of The Fourth Reich.
The German people of the late 1930s imagined themselves to be brave. They saw themselves as the heroic Germans depicted by the Wagnerian Operas, the descendants of the fierce Germanic warriors who had hunted wild boar with nothing but spears and who had defeated three of Rome's mightiest legions in the Tuetenberg Forest.
But in truth, by the 1930s, the German people had become civilized and tamed, culturally obsessed with fine details in both science and society. Their self-image of bravery was both salve and slavery. Germans were required to behave as if they were brave, even when they were not.
It's easy to look back and realize what a jerk Hitler was. But at the time, Hitler looked pretty good to the German people, with the help of the media. He was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938. The German people assumed they were safe from a tyrant. They lived in a Republic, after all, with strict laws regarding what the government could and more importantly could not do. Their leader was a devoutly religious man, and had even sung with the boy's choir of a monastery in his youth.
The reality was that the German people, as individuals, had lost their courage. The German government preferred it that way as a fearful people are easier to rule than a courageous one. But the German people didn't wish to lose their self-image of courage. So, when confronted with a situation demanding individual courage, in the form of a government gone wrong, the German people simply pretended that the situation did not exist. And in that simple self-deception lay the ruin of an entire nation and the coming of the second World War.
When the Reichstag burned down, most Germans simply refused to believe suggestions that the fire had been staged by Hitler himself. They were afraid to. But so trapped were the Germans by their belief in their own bravery that they willed themselves to be blind to the evidence before their eyes, so that they could nod in agreement with Der Fuhrer while still imagining themselves to have courage, even as they avoided the one situation which most required real courage; to stand up to Hitler's lies and deceptions.
When Hitler requested temporary extraordinary powers, powers specifically banned under German law, but powers Hitler claimed he needed to have to deal with the "terrorists", the German people, having already sold their souls to their self-delusions, agreed. The temporary powers were conferred, and once conferred lasted until Germany itself was destroyed.
When Hitler staged a phony invasion from Poland, the vast majority of the German people, their own self-image dependant on continuing blindness to Hitler's deceptions, did not question why Poland would have done something so stupid, and found themselves in a war.
But Hitler knew he ruled a nation of cowards, and knew he had to spend the money to make the new war something cowards could fight and win. He decorated his troops with regalia to make them proud of themselves, further trapping them in their self-image. Hitler copied the parade regalia of ancient Rome, to remind the Germans of the defeat of the legions at the Tuetenberg Forest. Talismans were added from orthodox religions and the occult to fill the soldiers with delusions of mystical strengths and an afterlife if they fell in battle. Finally, knowing that it takes courage to kill the enemy face to face, Hitler spent vast sums of money on his wonder weapons, airplanes, submarines, ultra-long range artillery, the world's first cruise missile and the world's first guided missile, weapons that could be used to kill at a distance, so that those doing the killing need not have to face the reality of what they were doing.
The German people were lured into WW2 not because they were brave, but because they were cowards who wanted to be seen as brave, and found that shooting long range weapons at people they could not see took less courage than standing up to Hitler. Sent into battle by that false image of courage, the Germans were dependent on their wonder-weapons. When the wonder-weapons stopped working, the Germans lost the war.
I remember as a child listening to the stories of WW2 from my grandfather and my uncles who had served in Europe. I wondered how the German people could have been so stupid as to have ever elected Hitler dog catcher, let alone leader of the nation. Such is the clarity of historical hindsight. And with that clarity, I see the exact same mechanism that Hitler used at work here in this nation.
Click Here to read the rest of The Rise Of The Fourth Reich.
I urge you all to read the book "Icebreaker" by Victor Suvorov.
In a nutshell, Hitler was a COMMUNIST ASSET.
Hitler was CONTROLLED BY STALIN.
Hitler was Stalin's "Icebreaker", to break up the "Ice" of European Capitalism.
Stalin SUPPORTED HITLER, indeed just as Trotsky warned the world. Stalin allowed Hitler to build up his army and train it deep inside the media-controlled Soviet Union. Thereby, the flagrant violations of the Versaille Treaty would be hidden.
Like a WOUND-UP Toy Soldier, Hitler then was loosed upon Europe. Hitler CONQUERED Europe...
And this was Stalin's master-stroke...
Because NOW Stalin could CONQUER EUROPE HIMSELF...
But do so as a LIBERATOR, not a TYRANT.
Compared to the PITCH BLACK of Hitler...
EVEN STALIN would look good.
Indeed, the Soviet Communists had conquered half the CONTINENT by war's end...
AND YOU MUST REMEMBER that the Soviets had attacked FINLAND. God be praised for the FIERCE RESISTANCE of the FINS...
for Stalin's original plan had been to punch through Finland, head on through Sweden, and "Liberate" NORWAY...
ALL OF SCANDINAVIA "SHOULD" have fallen to the Soviets too! The "Warsaw Pact" SHOULD have included Helsinke, Stockholm, and Oslo.
The only reason the Soviets eased up on Finland, btw, was because the Western Allies were making faster than expected progress in France. The Soviets had to divert the troops from the Finnish front to fight against Deutschland, because (ultimately) Patton crossed the Rhine and started liberating the future West Germany.... all lands STALIN had intended to take for himself!
My point is, Hitler SAID he was the "SAVIOR of GERMANY"....
But, witting or otherwise, he REALLY was working for Stalin...
And Hitler undermined Germany in the war...
Hitler pulled Guderian off-track for Moscow in the opening months, for example...
Hitler sent troops into the death trap at Kursk, but then pulled them out when the Germans were about to win anyway, for another...
And Hitler, de facto, HANDED DEUTSCHLAND TO STALIN.
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Today, as we sit here in "Hyperpower" America... which Hyperpower has never won a war since WW2... (excluding, of course, Grenada, which is the size of a golf course)
As we sit here, Russia and Red China are reconstituting their Cold War military alliances in Latin America.
COMMUNIST CHINA controls both ends of the Panama canal...
And China and Russia are equiping, not a merely 500,000 man army as in the 1980s, but a 3,000,000 man army, fully armed with the latest of Russian and Red Chinese bloc equipment.
KGB Operation "Icebreaker"...
Hitler antagonizes the world...
Hitler provides taylor made EXCUSE for Russia to send its troops in to LIBERATE Europe from the evil clutches of Hitler...
Hitler then undermines German forces in the war...
And HANDS GERMANY (and Europe) to his Moscow masters...
Today, "Operation Icebreaker 2"...
It worked on Deutschland last time...
now it will work on YOU TOO...
W.A.T.C.H. it all play out WATCH it play out
The Russians and Red Chinese are not equiping a MULTI MILLION MAN ARMY just south of the border FOR NO REASON.
Nevertheless, I can only it seems rue the ignornace of America. America's enemies can build a MULTI MILLION MAN ARMY just south of her borders....
and NOBODY INSIDE AMERICA even has the slightest hint of a whiff of a prerequisite of a freshman caliber clue.
America's IGNORANCE will KILL HER DEAD... just like Deutschland during WW2.
You will DIE for your ignorance, FYI.
SOURCE
I don't think people today want to believe they can be as easily manipulated as the 1920's-1940's Germans were. To admit that would be like admitting that they have believed a lie and lived their whole lives accordingly. That's not an easy thing to ask oneself to do. Much less to ask someone else to do it. Even if the evidence is overwhelming (which it is today) chances are people will be more willing to overlook it and try to deny it then to discuss it.
Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
In this country it isn't even our leaders that determine the policy anymore it's the members of exclusive internationalist groups like the CFR and Trilaterals that dictate the policies to them.
And no, I didn't hack into Dr. Bob's computer or his mind. I'm opposed to such big brother tactics.