School dress codes

[Reynolds]

Which would be......? [A rule against it or not??]

No formal rule.

 

[Salty]

Apply common sense.

What is acceptable to one person is not acceptable to another.

Does it really harm a student to be in a uniform.
In fact, it can teach him many things.

May I hijack just a little bit.
What should a school do - if a student refuses to take a shower (in school or at home) ?

 

[Salty]

Everyone has an opinion....but yours happens to limit people’s style. Let’s say I prefer varied sports coats vs assigned blazer uniforms. So why should I be limited to a uniform? I mean, kids are not in the military, unless of course they are forced to be there. Then they should have some selection. However I agree with Salty that a dress code should be established so there is a guideline for decorum.

why? they are in school to learn not to make fashion statements.

 

[Reynolds]

What is acceptable to one person is not acceptable to another.

Does it really harm a student to be in a uniform.
In fact, it can teach him many things.

May I hijack just a little bit.
What should a school do - if a student refuses to take a shower (in school or at home) ?

Use common sense.
Government forcing citizens to wear uniforms is not the Liberty our founders intended.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Use common sense.
Government forcing citizens to wear uniforms is not the Liberty our founders intended.

Do you believe they even drilled down enough to detail clothing... i for one do not. But I’m certain they did consern themselves with morality and decorum.

Like you, I do not believe we should be dictating (down to minute detail) apparel selections,we as the adults in the room should suggest not impose. If you have to send a kid home for some dress impropriety then do it as adults, with directness, sensitivity and being advisors (to both the child but more directly to the parents)

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

why? they are in school to learn not to make fashion statements.

And so therefore a dress code that is clearly presented to both parents and students is sufficient.

 

[just-want-peace]

I would like to see a "dress code" that some yo-yo could not find some loophole to TOTALLY by-pass the INTENT of the code and still be "legal"!!
Such a code would, IMO, exceed the Obama health care act in # of pages to print!!??

Uniforms could be covered in, again IMO, a couple or three pages, with no loopholes.

 

[Sapper Woody]

I would like to see a "dress code" that some yo-yo could not find some loophole to TOTALLY by-pass the INTENT of the code and still be "legal"!!
Such a code would, IMO, exceed the Obama health care act in # of pages to print!!??

Uniforms could be covered in, again IMO, a couple or three pages, with no loopholes.

That's kind of along my lines of thinking. To use myself as an example, when I was in Bible college, I was somewhat of a troublemaker (usually for humor, and not for anything nefarious). We had a dress code, not a uniform. And because of me, they had to enact a couple of new rules.

The first one was no bowties or bolo ties. We were required to wear a tie. So I did. But evidently my ties weren't satisfactory!

The second was that our suit jackets had to match our pants, and had to be "faculty approved". I still say that my gold and black pinstriped double breasted jacket with bright orange buttons matched the black pants, white shirt, and orange bow-tie I was wearing. But they decided they didn't like my jacket.

Point is, to reduce regulation, a uniform is better. The problem with applying common sense, as some in here have suggested, is that many people lack it. Especially those who wish to skirt the rules already. That young lady is a prime example. Instead of using common sense, she became the biggest distraction she could to get across the message that she wasn't a distraction. That is the height of idiocy; doing something to prove you don't do it.

And there is a huge, vast difference between the government telling people to wear a uniform, and having a uniform at a public school. The comparison is, to me, lunacy. Especially when variation is allowed within the uniform. The whole idea of a uniform is to bring the students to equal footing. Again, the rich don't dress better than the poor, as a great example.

Trying to equate school mandated uniforms with government indoctrination, and then saying people should use common sense is a hilarious bit of irony in my mind.

 

[Reynolds]

That's kind of along my lines of thinking. To use myself as an example, when I was in Bible college, I was somewhat of a troublemaker (usually for humor, and not for anything nefarious). We had a dress code, not a uniform. And because of me, they had to enact a couple of new rules.

The first one was no bowties or bolo ties. We were required to wear a tie. So I did. But evidently my ties weren't satisfactory!

The second was that our suit jackets had to match our pants, and had to be "faculty approved". I still say that my gold and black pinstriped double breasted jacket with bright orange buttons matched the black pants, white shirt, and orange bow-tie I was wearing. But they decided they didn't like my jacket.

Point is, to reduce regulation, a uniform is better. The problem with applying common sense, as some in here have suggested, is that many people lack it. Especially those who wish to skirt the rules already. That young lady is a prime example. Instead of using common sense, she became the biggest distraction she could to get across the message that she wasn't a distraction. That is the height of idiocy; doing something to prove you don't do it.

And there is a huge, vast difference between the government telling people to wear a uniform, and having a uniform at a public school. The comparison is, to me, lunacy. Especially when variation is allowed within the uniform. The whole idea of a uniform is to bring the students to equal footing. Again, the rich don't dress better than the poor, as a great example.

Trying to equate school mandated uniforms with government indoctrination, and then saying people should use common sense is a hilarious bit of irony in my mind.

The school is an arm of government. Courts are clear on that. Equal, equal, equal, = Communism. We can use the Bible in schools because school is government. No more prayer in schools because school is government. The government is not going to tell my kids what to wear.

 

[Sapper Woody]

The school is an arm of government. Courts are clear on that. Equal, equal, equal, = Communism.

That is such an absurd stretch that I am having trouble even coming up with a way to describe how much of a stretch it is.

First off, equal footing does NOT mean equal in everything. And even though it has been hijacked by the left to mean the unequal privilege given to minorities, PROPER equal opportunity is a biblically sound practice.

Secondly, a uniform in school to help equal opportunities is not even in the same ballpark as communism. Now, if I told the rich students that they had to provide the clothing of the poorer students so that they could dress alike, then that would be more akin to communism.

We can use the Bible in schools because school is government. No more prayer in schools because school is government. The government is not going to tell my kids what to wear.

Honestly, your answers are so far fetched and outside the realm of reality that it's hard to even fathom how you reached these conclusions, much less deal with them in a rational way. A HUGE part of the problems we face in schools is due to the lack of discipline in schools. Uniforms promote discipline, and discourage discrimination.

 

[Salty]

The school is an arm of government. Courts are clear on that. Equal, equal, equal, = Communism. We can use the Bible in schools because school is government. No more prayer in schools because school is government. The government is not going to tell my kids what to wear.

There are all kinds of rules in public schools Here is a high school - with an 8 page Student handbook -
Are you saying that a student should not be required to obey any of those rules????

 

[Reynolds]

That is such an absurd stretch that I am having trouble even coming up with a way to describe how much of a stretch it is.

First off, equal footing does NOT mean equal in everything. And even though it has been hijacked by the left to mean the unequal privilege given to minorities, PROPER equal opportunity is a biblically sound practice.

Secondly, a uniform in school to help equal opportunities is not even in the same ballpark as communism. Now, if I told the rich students that they had to provide the clothing of the poorer students so that they could dress alike, then that would be more akin to communism.



Honestly, your answers are so far fetched and outside the realm of reality that it's hard to even fathom how you reached these conclusions, much less deal with them in a rational way. A HUGE part of the problems we face in schools is due to the lack of discipline in schools. Uniforms promote discipline, and discourage discrimination.

My comments are very much in the realm of reality. You simply have no good answer for them. I do not want the government telling my kids they have to wear a uniform. Hitler and Stalin did that. The Christian shirts they wear would not comply with your commie uniform rule. Liberty, not totalitarianism. Don't pass laws telling me what to wear. I am buying the clothes for a lot of the class, TAXES and WELFARE!

 

[Reynolds]

There are all kinds of rules in public schools Here is a high school - with an 8 page Student handbook -
Are you saying that a student should not be required to obey any of those rules????

I am not reading an 8 page handbook. I can say that we have laws and rules. Our nation, according to our founders, was established to govern a moral people. We don't need laws and rules for everything. We need morality and common sense. All these micro managing laws and rules are not what made our nation great. They are band aids being stuck on the festering boils of our empire in demise.

 

[Sapper Woody]

My comments are very much in the realm of reality. You simply have no good answer for them. I do not want the government telling my kids they have to wear a uniform. Hitler and Stalin did that. The Christian shirts they wear would not comply with your commie uniform rule. Liberty, not totalitarianism. Don't pass laws telling me what to wear.

You realize the hole in your logic, right? The glaringly obvious one? Well, I'm going to indulge in a little ad absurdum to point it out. So here goes:

Hitler and Stalin took baths.
Hitler and Stalin are lunch.
Hitler and Stalin breathed air.
Hitler and Stalin got haircuts.

Hopefully you can see my point. Just because an evil person, or a Communist, does something does not make that something evil, or communistic.

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[Reynolds]

You realize the hole in your logic, right? The glaringly obvious one? Well, I'm going to indulge in a little ad absurdum to point it out. So here goes:

Hitler and Stalin took baths.
Hitler and Stalin are lunch.
Hitler and Stalin breathed air.
Hitler and Stalin got haircuts.

Hopefully you can see my point. Just because an evil person, or a Communist, does something does not make that something evil, or communistic.

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Hitler and Stalin dressed the youth in their little conformist uniforms. Uniforms fit into their ideology, not libertarian ideology.

 

[Salty]

Hitler and Stalin dressed the youth in their little conformist uniforms. Uniforms fit into their ideology, not libertarian ideology.

So you wouldn't let you kids be in the Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, AWANA, ect.....

 

[Reynolds]

So you wouldn't let you kids be in the Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, AWANA, ect.....

Those are not the government. Huge difference.
Are you missing the whole govt vs private thing?

 

[Salty]

Those are not the government. Huge difference.
Are you missing the whole govt vs private thing?

But the basic principle of requiring all to dress the same is still there.

 

[Reynolds]

But the basic principle of requiring all to dress the same is still there.

No. School is an arm of the government. The organizations you mentioned are private organizations. Government control is the issue. The Government has no right to tell a private citizen, with Civil rights, that citizen has to wear a uniform.

 

[Alcott]

No formal rule.

An INformal rule, then?