Science/Faith And origins Of Life!

[freeatlast]

Swim or float: In either case there is no natural explanation for this event as recorded in the "inerrant Word".

God working outside the natural laws.

 

[JesusFan]

I am never sure what a person means when they say inspired. But I do believe the writers of the Bible were inspired. However, inspired does not mean that God revealed everything there is to know to them. Why not? One major reason is that they would not have understood anything there were writing. For instance if God had revealed quantum mechanics to the writers of the Bible they would have had no idea what he was inspiring them to write.

Yes, the Bible was inspired. But not in the way that all was revealed. We can see this as God gradually revealed himself in the OT and gave his fullest revelation through Christ on earth.

I feel the following, from Merriam-Webster is a good definition of inspired.

Do you believe that God cretaed the Universe from "Nothing?"
just by His decree and power, able to bring it to pass?

Do you believe that Adam/Eve were real persons, that the fall actually happened in history?

Do you believe God created man in His own image as a special act of creation, or as part of an evolutionary process?

 

[JesusFan]

That a piece of wood, which can indeed float, was used to retrieve the axe means that the wood was necessary to the miracle. Why do you think that the wood makes it less a miracle?

What about the exodus event of the red Sea being parted?

would any be any less a miracle wether God directly caused it by suspending natural rules of physics, or else used a volcano eruption at exact time to have it part , as He was the One using it for His purposes?

As I have read commentaries that tried to use totally natural explanations to handle OT miracles, but again, could God have done those events using natural events, such as flood/volcanos/earthquake etc, or MUST they have been done by Him as acts of overriding physical laws of nature all the time?

 

[OldRegular]

Do you believe that God cretaed the Universe from "Nothing?"
just by His decree and power, able to bring it to pass?

Do you believe that Adam/Eve were real persons, that the fall actually happened in history?

Do you believe God created man in His own image as a special act of creation, or as part of an evolutionary process?

Interesting and challenging questions for Crabtownboy [and all other professing Christians].

 

[glfredrick]

What about the exodus event of the red Sea being parted?

would any be any less a miracle wether God directly caused it by suspending natural rules of physics, or else used a volcano eruption at exact time to have it part , as He was the One using it for His purposes?

As I have read commentaries that tried to use totally natural explanations to handle OT miracles, but again, could God have done those events using natural events, such as flood/volcanos/earthquake etc, or MUST they have been done by Him as acts of overriding physical laws of nature all the time?

I'm not quite on board with those who seek a purely naturalistic reasoning for every miracle of God found in Scripture. They may or may not actually find what they are looking for, and I predict not. But that being said, I also do not think that God would need to suspend natural laws that He also created in order to complete any of His miracles. Miracles are miracles -- super-natural in nature (note the hyphenation of super-natural, i.e., "above nature". I do that on purpose in these sort of discussions to denote God's actions via nature versus God's actions in a purely spiritual sense as they are often seen by those seeking a pious, but not always correct interpretation).
Also, by "natural law" I am saying something other than something natural. God can, and in all likelyhood did manipulate what is natural to acheive His desired outcome.

As the one who spoke "information" into being, He is fully capable of asking atoms to go here or there or to arrange as He sees fit, and all without violating a single law that He spoke into existence. But, that is far different from the "consequence" of an earthquake or that just happened to coincide with some biblical miracle. On the later hand, those seeking a purely naturalistic explanation for any or all actions of God disavow the fact that God is sovereign and in control of everything. They seek to discover some means by which God is less than God rather than a means that further glorifies God because AS GOD, He can operate without violating a single law that He instituted, yet provide a super-natural miracle of a nature that no mere mortal could duplicate without His power.

Oh, and yes, there was a real Adam and Eve, the Fall happened in history as did the birth of Christ to the virgin Mary, His death and crucifixion, and His resurrection! What the Bible says is true and real to the extent that we are able to comprehend what it is that God did and rightly interpret His actions, none of which must necessarily violate any tenet of His law, whether natural, spiritual, or otherwise.

 

[Jim1999]

There is a natural parting of the Reed Sea. The parting of the sea, however, is the timing of that parting. It was precisely in time to saved God's people from their enemy. That is the miracle.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Aaron]

The drowning of the Eqytian army is what occurred when God ceased His interruption of the natural order.

 

[freeatlast]

The drowning of the Eqytian army is what occurred when God ceased His interruption of the natural order.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[OldRegular]

The drowning of the Eqytian army is what occurred when God ceased His interruption of the natural order.

Well said Aaron!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: