Scientist Says Al Gore's Arguments "Pathetic"

No and uh no.

 

And I accept that this is your opinion, but you are no expert on the matter.

 

Well Don, since you asked if we knew how many of the scientists in Gore's book & movie were climatologists, I thought perhaps you knew yourself and would be willing to say. It appears not.

Do the climatologists agree with each other? Is there a majority opinion? Do you know how large a majority and what the opinion is?

 

Why do you believe it is 50-50? Gut feeling?

 

http://www.globalwarming.org/science_archive.htm

 

Global Warming "Consensus" Claim Doesn't Hold Water

Scientists Simply Don't Agree That Global Warming is Occurring



Talking Points on the Environment #38

Journalists increasingly are reporting that scientists have reached a consensus on global warming. Close examination of the evidence cited to support these claims, however, reveals that such claims simply don't hold water:​

Claim: Scientists agree that failing to respond to the threat of global warming now could prove disastrous for some parts of the globe.

Fact: A survey of over 400 German, American and Canadian climate researchers conducted by the Meteorologisches Institut der Universitat Hamburg and the GKSS Forschungszentrum found that 67% of those surveyed either disagreed or were uncertain about the proposition that global warming will occur so quickly that lack of preparation could prove disastrous.

Claim: Thousands of scientists have signed letters and petitions alerting the public to the dangers of global warming.

Fact: One of the letters often cited to support this claim was issued by Ozone Action. A close examination of that letter revealed that only 10% of the letter's signatories had backgrounds in climate science. Worse, landscape architects, a gynecologist, and a practitioner of traditional Chinese medicine are among the signatories.

Claim: 2,500 United Nations-sponsored scientists have concluded that human greenhouse gas emissions are warming the temperature of the planet.

Fact: This claim is based on the fact that the United Nations Intergovernment Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a report suggesting a "discernible human influence" on climate change. While several thousand scientists were consulted in crafting the report, not all of them agreed with its conclusions. As Dr. John W. Zillman, one of these scientists noted: "[The IPCC was] meticulous in insisting that the final decision on whether to accept particular review comments should reside with chapter Lead Authors... Some Lead Authors ignored valid critical comments or failed to... reflect dissenting views..." The report was therefore the result of a political rather than a scientific process.

Claim: The majority of scientists believe global warming is a process underway and that it is human-induced.

Fact: A 1992 Gallup survey of climatologists found that 81 percent of respondents believed that the global temperature had not risen over the past 100 years, were uncertain whether or not or why such warming had occurred, or believed any temperature increases during that period were within the natural range of variation. Further, a 1997 survey conducted by American Viewpoint found that state climatologists believe that global warming is largely a natural phenomenon by a margin of 44% to 17%.

Sources: National Policy Analysis Paper #177 (The National Center For Public Policy Research) and Eco-Sanity (The Heartland Institute).http://www.nationalcenter.org/TP38.html

 

Thank you, Revmitchell, for providing your source.

The wording on the "claim" and the "fact" don't match. Saying disaster will occur if we don't act immediately, now, is different from saying that great harm will come if we keep going in the forseeable future as we have been.

Disputing one letter from 1997 - almost ten years ago - doesn't invalidate any of the others.

How many is "not all" of them? Five? Fifty? Five thousand? There are also too many elipses in the quoted statement, no link to the statement itself and barely a hint of the context.

 

Interesting... the United States Geological Survey apparently still keeps data related to global warming, but now a password is required. No explanation why, or how to get a password. Looks like "national security" woiuld be compromised if we could see it.:laugh:

Well, it's an improvement from faking the data, I suppose.

 

You omitted the first part of my statement, so let me try again:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6903014

So, if it "has happened repeatedly over many thousands of years," then by all means provide us with those time periods.

Regards,
BiR

 

Where did I EVER question your credibility?
Please show me where I ever did anything but repeat YOUR comments.

You are the one who said that you are "not involved in the science of these issues," didn't you? Those are your words, not mine, aren't they?

Furthermore, I never held myself out as someone "involved in the science of these issues," did I? As a matter of fact, I didn't even make an attempt to answer my own rhetorical question, did I?

If you are going to reply to my comments, at least afford me the courtesy of reading what I wrote and thinking about what was written.

BiR

 

Some glacial history

I have a geologist friend who is returning from 3 weeks on a glacier in the next day or two. If I think about it, I'll post a link with a better history of glaciation.