Scofield

[Dr. Bob]

Dr. Bob, It seems that additional Baptist are getting away from dispensation.

I have some hope, Salty, for future Baptists as so many young pastors are studying the Word and proclaiming unashamedly strong Calvinist learning (as were the early Baptists before the evils of Finneyism eroded theological foundations into a man-centric humanism).

I lose a little hope, though, when I see a drift (along with the virtues of reformed theology) toward the abyss of covenant theology from which our forefathers were emancipated. The early Reformers pushed the first level of separation from the papists, denouncing baptismal regeneration of the nonsense of sprinkling unbelieving babies. Sadly, other doctrinal errors would take decades before a second wave of Reformers pushed separation from the error of this to endorse baptism of believers only and a regenerated church.

Throughout the 4 centuries since there have been other theological minefields to traverse and battlelines drawn as reformers seek to perfect the church. Conflict over church government, over foreign missions, over inspiration, over penal substitutionary atonement, over the charismatic gifts, over eschatology, over godless evolution, over ecumenicism, over abolition, over English Bible translations, and yes, over covenant theology and its abysmal eschatological nightmare.

I hope to emphasize to "free thinking" young men that the battles that have been fought to bring light in each matter should not quickly be abandoned to embrace some "new" podcast guru or shaky interpretation. That is the living heritage of reformation. Anyone who sides with the papists and Campbellites on baptismal regeneration or with the paedo-baptizing "protestants" are a blight on the Baptist name.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

I lose a little hope, though, when I see a drift (along with the virtues of reformed theology) toward the abyss of covenant theology from which our forefathers were emancipated.

Fuzzy on Church History, aren't you? Our Baptist forefathers believed in Covenant Theology. Aren't you familiar with the London Confession of Faith --the 1689? Have you ever heard of Nehemiah Coxe?
Surely you know of Charles Spurgeon. In his 1874 The Blood of the Covenant he said "How I wish Christ's ministers would spread more and more of this covenant doctrine throughout England."

Some Baptists today need to be unshackled from the bonds of Dispensationalism.

 

[JesusFan]

Indeed. God will correct McArthur in heaven and RC Sproul will say, "See, John, I told you so."

And then John will say back;" well RC, at least got water baptism right!"

 

[37818]

Which Scofield do you prefer

A- Old Scofield

The New Scofield is non-Baptist Protestant.

And expunged a note of some importance.
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Revelation 2:6
Nicolaitanes



From nikao, "to conquer," and laos, "the people," or "laity." There is no ancient authority for a sect of the Nicolaitanes. If the word is symbolic it refers to the earliest form of the notion of a priestly order, or "clergy," which later divided an equal brotherhood Matthew 23:8 into "priests" and "laity." What in Ephesus was "deeds" Revelation 2:6 had become in Pergamos a "doctrine Revelation 2:15.



Nicolaitanes Revelation 2:15, contra, ; 1Pet 5:2; 1Pet 5:3; Matthew 24:49 "

I know, C. I. Scofield was never a Baptist.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Fuzzy on Church History, aren't you?

No. Teach Church History and Baptist History and in my post I said what happened in 1530's then 1600's in first/second wave of reformers THEN all the subsequent refining over 400 years. Move from covenant to dispensations was parallel from liberal modernism to fundamentalism in the 1895-1925 era.

Cannot deny that Baptists today are more dispensational than covenantal, more rapture than a/post mill. I want to emphasize this progressive battle over doctrine/practice for Baptist young pastors. But hey, that's been my ministry 50+ years.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Surely you know of Charles Spurgeon. In his 1874 The Blood of the Covenant he said "How I wish Christ's ministers would spread more and more of this covenant doctrine throughout England."

Hey, Rip, if you make a point, do it. It's a battle I face, too.
Don't treat people as unknowing or uneducated.
Don't condescend.
(Condescending means talking down to people.)


I think we ALL should preach the "blood of the covenant" doctrine. NOT covenant theology and its ugly step-children. I have preached a whole series on biblical covenants (past/future) and their meaning.

Had a meeting with some brothers in ARBCA who were all taught at Presbyterian-type schools. They HATE dispensationalism and summed up their position inn the "two covenants - works and grace". One covenant (Gen 1-3) covers a couple weeks and the other (Gen 4-Rev 22) covers the rest.

Could not join ARBCA because of that. Cannot even relate to that emphasis personally.

 

[Just_Ahead]

Very interesting thread if you like Scofield Bible editions. I wish I could go back and attend a church that I attended when I was younger. If memory serves me right, at that church I would look across the aisle and see plenty of old Scofield Bibles -- different sizes and colors.

If you do not like Scofield Bibles, then you probably are in the wrong thread.

 

[Dr. Bob]

If you do not like Scofield Bibles, then you probably are in the wrong thread.

Or if you HATE the Scofield system, you're on the wrong thread, too. But tell that to the haters

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Our Baptist forefathers believed in Covenant Theology. Aren't you familiar with the London Confession of Faith --the 1689? Have you ever heard of Nehemiah Coxe?

I say again, if you have taught Church History how can you ignore the above? You had said "the abyss of covenant theology from which our forefathers were emancipated." The 17th century Baptists who published the 169 Confession of Faith were our forefathers. They had left the shackles of Roman Catholicism, but not Covenant Theology. You either admire them or don't. So make yourself clear.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Or if you HATE the Scofield system, you're on the wrong thread, too. But tell that to the haters

Did you happen to read the OP? One of the options was D. This thread is not dedicated to Scofield lovers alone.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

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Don't treat people as unknowing or uneducated.

That reminds me of your frequent comments on the NIV. Your remarks are often childish. You have referred to it as a storybook. Talk about a demeaning attitude!