SCOTUS betrays the Church

[AustinC]

If that were the case than the US govt would be wrong in
having military chaplains of which are paid by taxpayers,
some of whom are atheists.


As you posted ""Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

NO, there is not a separation - rather there is a working together within limits.

Thus that is the reason that Bible clubs are are allowed in public school buildings, ect.

Why would they be wrong? The military allows for all religions in its armed forces. Friends I know reported that their were Satanism groups meeting with designated leaders. There are Momon chaplains, Hindu chaplains, Muslim chaplains, etc. All religions are free to express themselves in the armed forces.
If public schools release children to go to religious meetings, they must allow all religions to meet. Even the ones you might despise.

 

[Salty]

Why would they be wrong? The military allows for all religions in its armed forces. Friends I know reported that their were Satanism groups meeting with designated leaders. There are Momon chaplains, Hindu chaplains, Muslim chaplains, etc. All religions are free to express themselves in the armed forces.
If public schools release children to go to religious meetings, they must allow all religions to meet. Even the ones you might despise.

Exactaly - if there was Sep of church and state - those things would not be allowed!

 

[Salty]

Austin! Lets talk about John MacAuthur - He stated that he is NOT closing down his church- in spirte of what the Governor has said.

So is this an issue of Sep of Church and State
Does the State have a right to close down churches.
Is a church required to follow the dictates of the State?

Is MacAuthur sinning by not submitting to "Ceaser"

 

[AustinC]

Exactaly - if there was Sep of church and state - those things would not be allowed!

You are not understanding. The State cannot endorse one religion over another. It must allow all religions the ability to act according to their beliefs (excluding breaking laws such as murder and pedophilia).
However, government is sovereign over all religions and thus government can tell all religious groups that they must adhere to Covid19 mandates of distancing and mask wearing. They can do this because all religions are held to these mandates and because assembly is not forbidden. Churches can still freely meet online.

John MacArthur is skirting a fine line.

 

[Salty]

You are not understanding. The State cannot endorse one religion over another. It must allow all religions the ability to act according to their beliefs (excluding breaking laws such as murder and pedophilia).
However, government is sovereign over all religions and thus government can tell all religious groups that they must adhere to Covid19 mandates of distancing and mask wearing. They can do this because all religions are held to these mandates and because assembly is not forbidden. Churches can still freely meet online.

John MacArthur is skirting a fine line.

NO, I FULLY UNDERSTAND
I have never stated that the govt is endorsing any religion.

Meeting on-line - that is a JOKE!
The COTUS allows us the free exercise -
and we choose to meet in person.
From our DOM
"But we missed the fellowship. I have always believed that effective Christianity is all about relationships. You can’t build relationships without spending time with folks. It used to be a joke around CNYBA that I always seemed to show up at a church when they were having a fellowship meal. Part of that was accidental, but some of that was intentional. It was at those fellowship meals that I came to know many of the lay people in our churches. Whether using a folk or chop sticks, there’s just sometime about “breaking bread” together that builds relationships. And there’s something about strong relationships that builds a strong association – especially when it comes to counseling, coaching, and/or catalyzing. You’ve probably heard me say it a hundred times, “It’s hard to have an association unless we associate.”

When the Govt tells us we cannot meet - the we must claim: Acts 5:29


Ref MacArthur - do agree what he is doing - simple yes or no will do.

 

[just-want-peace]

NO, I FULLY UNDERSTAND
I have never stated that the govt is endorsing any religion.

Meeting on-line - that is a JOKE!
The COTUS allows us the free exercise -
and we choose to meet in person.
From our DOM
"But we missed the fellowship. I have always believed that effective Christianity is all about relationships. You can’t build relationships without spending time with folks. It used to be a joke around CNYBA that I always seemed to show up at a church when they were having a fellowship meal. Part of that was accidental, but some of that was intentional. It was at those fellowship meals that I came to know many of the lay people in our churches. Whether using a folk or chop sticks, there’s just sometime about “breaking bread” together that builds relationships. And there’s something about strong relationships that builds a strong association – especially when it comes to counseling, coaching, and/or catalyzing. You’ve probably heard me say it a hundred times, “It’s hard to have an association unless we associate.”

When the Govt tells us we cannot meet - the we must claim: Acts 5:29


Ref MacArthur - do agree what he is doing - simple yes or no will do.

Didn't ask me, but, personally - - YES!!!!

 

[Guvnuh]

I’m of the opinion Submission to civil authority applies only to that civil authority which is acting and offers/grants freedom and civility. The freedom of assembly would fall into that category. Assembly of ones choice also, I’m thinking of covenanters and dissenters. To argue otherwise would seem to be an indictment of the Reformers protesting and disobeying the local and regional govt. authorities who were essential props of Rome or Church of England. I like to believe most folks here are glad they “rebelled”.

 

[AustinC]

NO, I FULLY UNDERSTAND
I have never stated that the govt is endorsing any religion.

Meeting on-line - that is a JOKE!
The COTUS allows us the free exercise -
and we choose to meet in person.
From our DOM
"But we missed the fellowship. I have always believed that effective Christianity is all about relationships. You can’t build relationships without spending time with folks. It used to be a joke around CNYBA that I always seemed to show up at a church when they were having a fellowship meal. Part of that was accidental, but some of that was intentional. It was at those fellowship meals that I came to know many of the lay people in our churches. Whether using a folk or chop sticks, there’s just sometime about “breaking bread” together that builds relationships. And there’s something about strong relationships that builds a strong association – especially when it comes to counseling, coaching, and/or catalyzing. You’ve probably heard me say it a hundred times, “It’s hard to have an association unless we associate.”

When the Govt tells us we cannot meet - the we must claim: Acts 5:29


Ref MacArthur - do agree what he is doing - simple yes or no will do.

I don't understand your acroynms. I think John MacArthur can do as he wills. Just remembered that even Godly King Josiah died because he decided to go fight the King of Egypt when that King had no beef with him.
I work with and train others for a living. I have done both face to face training and online training. In many ways online training is more effective. The pacing is more on point and the assessment is more efficient. If my training were hands-on (say working on muscle movement with Physical Therapy) then f2f would be more valuable. The way you determine this is by the outcome you are seeking from your learner's.

With small group meeting capacities, it isn't essential to preach to a large audience in a big convention hall.

 

[church mouse guy]

Nevada has open casinos and closed churches so we see who donates to the Nevada Governor's campaign fund.

 

[AustinC]

Nevada has open casinos and closed churches so we see who donates to the Nevada Governor's campaign fund.

This is a better point. The inconsistency of Governor edicts is puzzling. It seems that both should use best practices and meet. However, the 1st Amendment is not being broken because churches can use alternative methods to meet and assemble.
When churches are taxed (and it is coming) many buildings will be abandoned because it will be unaffordable. Expect home churches and underground churches rather than registered churches.
We are in a post-Christian society.

 

[Salty]

I don't see churches being taxed until all non-profits are taxed - ie Red Cross, volunteer fire companies, labor unions and ect.