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SDA - An Overview

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37818

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"Angel" means MESSENGER. But in Zech, who did Michael call on to rebuke Satan ? THE LORD!

Yes, Zech called Michael "the Lord" as Michael is greater than Zech, but again, Michael asked THE LORD to rebuke Satan.

And Michael didn't choose Jerusalem.

And in that same chapter, Michael repeats the words of the LORD OF HOSTS. No one but GOD is called that name.

Yes, that angel of the Lord was Michael, Gabriel, or some other archangel, but he was not JESUS !
You are confusing things. Michael is called the Archangel. In the time of Moses said to Satan, "The Lord rebuke thee." At a much later time the angel of the LORD is called the LORD. And as the LORD says to Satan, "The LORD rebuke rhee." We know the angel of the LORD is the preincarnate Christ. What proof do you have that the Archangel cannot be the angel of the LORD?
 

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And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia. Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment.... - Acts 15:23-24

The Apostles gave no such command pertaining to the keeping of the law.
 

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You are confusing things. Michael is called the Archangel. In the time of Moses said to Satan, "The Lord rebuke thee." At a much later time the angel of the LORD is called the LORD. And as the LORD says to Satan, "The LORD rebuke rhee." We know the angel of the LORD is the preincarnate Christ. What proof do you have that the Archangel cannot be the angel of the LORD?
Are you saying that he was Michael in OT, and then Jesus in the NT? Which one is he now then?
 

37818

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Are you saying that he was Michael in OT, and then Jesus in the NT? Which one is he now then?
If so, He would would still in as being "Who like God," unchanged, ". . . For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, . . ." Yet future.

In His incaration He did not cease being God. The only thing that changed was how He was with God in His eternal nature as God.
 

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If so, He would would still in as being "Who like God," unchanged, ". . . For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, . . ." Yet future.

In His incaration He did not cease being God. The only thing that changed was how He was with God in His eternal nature as God.
He is now forever Jesus the God Man!
 

pythons

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The Seventh-day Adventist Church repudiates the Apostles & Nicaean Creeds...
...They will not repeat them in their Church on account of the Trinity Doctrine.
....Which they claim to hold to - but define it no different than Latter-day Saints.

Mormon statement said:
If by ‘the doctrine of the Trinity’ one means the New Testament teaching that there is a Father, a Son, and a Holy Ghost, all three of whom are fully divine, then Latter-day Saints believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. It is as simple as that. However, if by ‘the doctrine of the Trinity’ one means the doctrine formulated by the councils of Nicaea and Chalcedon and elaborated upon by subsequent theologians and councils–that God is three coequal persons in one substance or essence–then Latter-day Saints do not believe it.[iii]

Mormon definition of the "oneness" of God said:
The unity prayed for in John 17 provides a model for the LDS understanding of the unity of the Godhead-one that is achieved among distinct individuals by unity of purpose, through faith, and by divine will and action. Joseph Smith taught that the Godhead was united by an "everlasting covenant [that] was made between [these] three personages before the organization of this earth" relevant to their administration to its inhabitants (TPJS, p. 190). The prime purpose of the Godhead and of all those united with them is "to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man" (Moses 1:39; Hinckley, p. 49-51).Godhead - The Encyclopedia of Mormonism (byu.edu)

The SDA teaching on how God is one isn't like the Mormon teaching - it IS the teaching.

Ellen White said:
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word; that they all may be one; as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me. And the glory which Thou gavest Me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are one: I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent Me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved Me." John 17:20-23. Wonderful statement! The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one. {8T 269.4}

What Ellen is saying here is that Christ is ONE with God in the same way that Christ was ONE with His Disciples. Trinitarian Christians wouldn't agree with that, at all.

The SDA construct holds that Father God "has a Personality" (hominid flesh form with members and parts). This is called "THE PERSONALITY OF GOD DOCTRINE". In addition both Michael and Lucifer (pre Incarnation of Michael) had "Personalities" (bodies of flesh with all the members and parts of a perfect man).

The SDA "Personality of God Doctrine" was unreconcilable with the Trinity Doctrine because the Adventists held the Trinity Doctrine DESTROYED the Personality of God (i.e. God's hominid flesh body).

Look at Ellen's statement again;

Ellen White
The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one

Followed by other affirmations to the same.

Adventist Review and Herald Oct 8,1903
"The doctrine of the Personality of God IS the fundamental doctrine of the Scriptures..."
...""NEITHER was this image of God a mere concept;
FOR the Bible declares that the Lord has PARTS, THE SAME AS the human body"."OUR EXISTENCE as a people is FOUNDED on a belief in the truths stated above".



"Thus it is declare that God has all the members and parts o a perfect man. This is not said once, no twice, but many times, not in parables an symbols, and figures, but directly and plainly..." RH18780905-V52-11.pdf (adventistarchives.org) (look for the PERSONALITY OF GOD DOCTRINE on page 1). There are scores of these articles.

RH October 8, 1903
OF late the question has repeatedly come to me, Does it make any real difference whether we believe in the personality of God, as long as we believe in God? My answer invariably is, It depends altogether upon the standpoint from which we view it. If from the Spiritualist's, -the Christian Scientist's, the Universalist's, or if from the standpoint of any other " ist" or " ism," it makes but little or no difference. But from the standpoint of Seventh-day Adventists it makes all the difference in the world.


There are other differences Adventists have with Evangelicals but this is probably the biggest one. Just thought you folks might appreciate some intel.
 
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