SDA: Cult of Fear-Mongers

[Protestant]

It is pretty much the only theology that anti-Seventh-day Adventists cling to, as it is all they have really. It's about as sad and pitiable (I cried over it) as his own life. Have you read the Man who boarded the Phantom Ship yet?

Typical of SDA apologetics. The question asked should be, 'Have you read the Bible yet?' His answer is, 'Yes, I have. That is the reason I am NOT SDA."

 

[Yeshua1]

It is pretty much the only theology that anti-Seventh-day Adventists cling to, as it is all they have really. It's about as sad and pitiable (I cried over it) as his own life. Have you read the Man who boarded the Phantom Ship yet?

Here is something that an Elder uop in the SDa when he died thought about IJ!
https://www.sabbathinchrist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/cottrell-1844.pdf

 

[Protestant]

Yes, absolutely a true statement. Consider scripture:

Jud_1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

1Jn_2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1Jn_4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

1Pe_5:10 But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Jas_1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

Jas_3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

Heb_6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Heb_7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Heb_13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Luk_8:14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Eph_5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

2Ti_3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Col_4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

Col_1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

EGW quote which began this discussion: "Christ died to make it possible for you to cease to sin” (Review and Herald, August 28, 1894).

Unfortunately, our committed Adventist apologist cannot explain how it was impossible for Sister White, who was a proven unrepentant liar.

 

[Yeshua1]

EGW quote which began this discussion: "Christ died to make it possible for you to cease to sin” (Review and Herald, August 28, 1894).

Unfortunately, our committed Adventist apologist cannot explain how it was impossible for Sister White, who was a proven unrepentant liar.

Even worse, kept changing her doctrines, as if God could not make up His mind!

 

[Alofa Atu]

Even worse, kept changing her doctrines, as if God could not make up His mind!

Do you have a specific example in citation for us from history on this that is corroborative? Remember, I am willing to openly test such claims.

Are you thinking of things like going from Methodist to Millerite to Adventist?

 

[Alofa Atu]

EGW quote which began this discussion: "Christ died to make it possible for you to cease to sin” (Review and Herald, August 28, 1894).

Unfortunately, our committed Adventist apologist cannot explain how it was impossible for Sister White, who was a proven unrepentant liar.

'[A]pologist' (smiles kindly), if only you knew what you were dealing with, you'd laugh, Anyways, I'll take it as a compliment, and move on, though the title is far above me.

Paul was the one who wrote quite a bit of those NT statements, yes?

Well, do you also fault Paul?

Php_3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.​

What was Paul aiming for? Perfection (as it is in Christ Jesus). He says so right in the verse itself.

So, yes it is entirely possible, as Christ Jesus set the example for us, that we should follow after in His strength, that He provided at Calvary:

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

Php_4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
​

If you are focusing on church members, that is the wrong goal, as the Goal is Christ Jesus, not sister White, Paul, myself or any other of mankind. Yet, even so, there is a group that shall indeed be victorious over all things, as it is written:

Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.​

It is promised:

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
​

We preach a victorious Christ, a victorious Gospel, a victorious people (in Him, by Him), and not merely in theory, but in truth, as it is written:

Rom_5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
​

They which are prophesied will have ceased from sin (by Him), for in Him is no sin. So as the Head does not sin, the body too follows the will of the Head.

We press onward toward that goal by grace through faith, for God is able to keep us from falling and to present us faultless.

I believe this, though I do not yet see it by sight, but know it by faith, for God has promised and God cannot lie. His word is Truth. His strength Almighty. Christ Jesus is both.

 

[Yeshua1]

'[A]pologist' (smiles kindly), if only you knew what you were dealing with, you'd laugh, Anyways, I'll take it as a compliment, and move on, though the title is far above me.

Paul was the one who wrote quite a bit of those NT statements, yes?

Well, do you also fault Paul?

Php_3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.​

What was Paul aiming for? Perfection (as it is in Christ Jesus). He says so right in the verse itself.

So, yes it is entirely possible, as Christ Jesus set the example for us, that we should follow after in His strength, that He provided at Calvary:

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

Php_4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
​

If you are focusing on church members, that is the wrong goal, as the Goal is Christ Jesus, not sister White, Paul, myself or any other of mankind. Yet, even so, there is a group that shall indeed be victorious over all things, as it is written:

Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.​

It is promised:

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
​

We preach a victorious Christ, a victorious Gospel, a victorious people (in Him, by Him), and not merely in theory, but in truth, as it is written:

Rom_5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
​

They which are prophesied will have ceased from sin (by Him), for in Him is no sin. So as the Head does not sin, the body too follows the will of the Head.

We press onward toward that goal by grace through faith, for God is able to keep us from falling and to present us faultless.

I believe this, though I do not yet see it by sight, but know it by faith, for God has promised and God cannot lie. His word is Truth. His strength Almighty. Christ Jesus is both.

Will you be able to be perfect and fully confirmed to the Law as EW stated had to be in order to avoid losing salvation and getting wiped out?

 

[Protestant]

'[A]pologist' (smiles kindly), if only you knew what you were dealing with, you'd laugh, Anyways, I'll take it as a compliment, and move on, though the title is far above me.

Paul was the one who wrote quite a bit of those NT statements, yes?

Well, do you also fault Paul?

Php_3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.​

What was Paul aiming for? Perfection (as it is in Christ Jesus). He says so right in the verse itself.

So, yes it is entirely possible, as Christ Jesus set the example for us, that we should follow after in His strength, that He provided at Calvary:

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rom 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

Php_4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
​

If you are focusing on church members, that is the wrong goal, as the Goal is Christ Jesus, not sister White, Paul, myself or any other of mankind. Yet, even so, there is a group that shall indeed be victorious over all things, as it is written:

Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.​

It is promised:

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
​

We preach a victorious Christ, a victorious Gospel, a victorious people (in Him, by Him), and not merely in theory, but in truth, as it is written:

Rom_5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
​

They which are prophesied will have ceased from sin (by Him), for in Him is no sin. So as the Head does not sin, the body too follows the will of the Head.

We press onward toward that goal by grace through faith, for God is able to keep us from falling and to present us faultless.

I believe this, though I do not yet see it by sight, but know it by faith, for God has promised and God cannot lie. His word is Truth. His strength Almighty. Christ Jesus is both.

As is typical, you completely dismiss the truth concerning your cult leader. She is a proven unrepentant liar.

Unrepentant perish.

"except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Jesus, Luke 13:5).

Liars are exempted from the Holy City.

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life (Rev. 21:27).

Sister White is a false prophet. False prophets are blind to truth. Those who follow false prophets will perish likewise.

if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch (Jesus, Matthew 15:14).

Paul never claimed to be perfect. Read Romans 7. Neither did he lie.

You and your Adventist cult members best get your priorities straight.

Who will it be......SDA or Jesus Christ?

 

[Yeshua1]

As is typical, you completely dismiss the truth concerning your cult leader. She is a proven unrepentant liar.

Unrepentant perish.

"except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Jesus, Luke 13:5).

Liars are exempted from the Holy City.

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life (Rev. 21:27).

Sister White is a false prophet. False prophets are blind to truth. Those who follow false prophets will perish likewise.

if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch (Jesus, Matthew 15:14).

Paul never claimed to be perfect. Read Romans 7. Neither did he lie.

You and your Adventist cult members best get your priorities straight.

Who will it be......SDA or Jesus Christ?

Sda just needs to drop Ellen White, and get rid of the Sabbath and get real Jesus and real Gospel!

 

[Alofa Atu]

Will you be able to be perfect and fully confirmed to the Law as EW stated had to be in order to avoid losing salvation and getting wiped out?

No one is saved by law, or any law-keeping. Ellen G White never taught such a thing either, as demonstrated on several occasions now. We are saved by (God's) grace through faith ...

God says, "My grace is sufficient for thee..."

As for matters of loss, please see the previous examples given of King Saul (OT) and Ananias and Sapphira (NT) to begin with.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Sda just needs to drop Ellen White

Some who call themselves "SDA" have indeed "drop[ped]" "Ellen White", and it has never bettered them, but always injured them.

..., and get rid of the Sabbath ...

Mankind can no more "get rid of the Sabbath" than they could rid themselves of the Sun, or the Law of God for that matter. Men may seek to hide themselves from such, but they are still there, blazing with the glory of God.

and get real Jesus and real Gospel!

Jesus is the Gospel, and the Seventh-day Adventists have both in verity, in their depth. Therefore, to attempt to trade the gold for the dross, would require me (and all true Seventh-day Adventists) to lose our minds together, which God Himself is preserving (Psalms 12:6-7).

You may keep the dross you call 'gold', but know that it is of no value in the sight of heaven.

 

[Alofa Atu]

As is typical, you completely dismiss the truth concerning your cult leader. She is a proven unrepentant liar.

Evidence (documented) please, book and page please. Citing 'you' is no evidence, as you did not yet even exist at the time she lived.

Unrepentant perish.

They surely do, and thus you witness against yourself, and your words will condemn you in the day to come.

Mat_7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.​

"except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Jesus, Luke 13:5).

Agreed. Therefore, take heed to yourself. Look for the beam in thine own eye before looking for the splinter in others.

Liars are exempted from the Holy City.

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life (Rev. 21:27).

Agreed, and the Bible defines who the "liars" are:

1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.​

Sister White is a false prophet.

Evidence (documented) please, book and page please. Citing 'you' is no evidence, as you did not yet even exist at the time she lived.

False prophets are blind to truth.

Indeed, false prophets are, willingly so, as Balaam when he refused to acknowledge the three 'angels' sent unto him.

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Those who follow false prophets will perish likewise.

Agreed, as they had with Jim Jones, even as they will with Visarion, and so many others.

if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch (Jesus, Matthew 15:14).

Yes, and the Bible defines the spiritual ditch as Roman Catholicism of Revelation 17:

Pro_23:27 For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit.

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.​

Thus all her doctrines, such as 'sunday sacredness', 'immortal soul/spirit theology', 'eternal torment', 'michael as creature', 'Jesus' flesh nature was unfallen', 'alcohol', and so many other things (amazing how many things are now professed as 'Baptist' these days, when all the while they are most assuredly 'Roman Catholic' (an they know it)).

Paul never claimed to be perfect. Read Romans 7.

Romans 7 is Paul before conversion, as he says:

"O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. ..." (vs. 24-25)
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This is the condition of a Laodicean (see Revelation 3:17).

Neither did he lie.

Are you suggesting that Ellen G White lied? If so, document with evidence please, book, page number. Thank you.

You and your Adventist cult members best get your priorities straight.

Oh, they are most straight:

Feel free to view the playlist.

Who will it be......SDA or Jesus Christ?

Jesus Christ, which is why I am Seventh-day Adventist, as the two are not exclusive, but harmonious.

 

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