SDA People Do Not Keep To The OT Dietary Restrictions

[Alofa Atu]

And I, & several others, proved SCRIPTURALLY that Jesus is NOT Michael !

Jude
8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

But JESUS said,in John 8:44,You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

So, JESUS brought a reviling accusation against the devil, something Michael wouldn't dare do. So SCRIPTURE destroys EGW's "Jesus =Michael" garbage.

Already addressed your 'apparent' contradiction on numerous occasions, as did those I cited in the links. Even those proper Baptists have answered you from scripture.

Jesus says what the Father tells Him to say (OT or NT era). Jesus is the Amen of the Father's will.

Joh_5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Joh_12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh_12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.​

See also Zechariah 3 in comparison to Jude:

Zec 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?​

Why do you think John 8:44 says anything that would not immediately harmonize with Jude or Zechariah? The Son is speaking (on behalf of the Father) to Satan in Jude, and speaking (on behalf of the Father) to Pharisees in John 8:44. The Son in Jude would not dare to speak a 'blaspheous accusation' against Satan, as that would be the character of the devil, and The Son does not use the devil's ways, see 1 Peter 3:9. The Son is the example for angels and mankind in all cases.

 

[Yeshua1]

If this is the standard level of 'baptist' integrity, in blatantly being allowed to accuse Seventh-day Adventists of teaching a false Jesus and false Gospel (without Admin/Moderation correction), in spite of the multitudinous contrary evidences posted in this and other forums for years, well, all I can say is I am glad I am not such an 'baptist', nor adhere to such a skewed worldview.

What the 'baptist' (at leased called by themselves as such, so I do not include all that use that designation here, as there a many wonderful baptist persons, lovely Christians) in this reply is stating in no uncertain terms, is that all Seventh-day Adventists are not Christians (let alone the other people in the other two groups mentioned).

Why is the Sda a Cult?
They elevate Ellen White to level of the scriptures, as being inspired prophetess, same way Mormons did Joseph Smith
See Jesus as archangel Michael
Hold to Inverstgative Judgement, no where in the Bible
require Sabbath keeping to be saved
Deny eternal Hell
Yep, Cult!

 

[Yeshua1]

Already addressed your 'apparent' contradiction on numerous occasions, as did those I cited in the links. Even those proper Baptists have answered you from scripture.

Jesus says what the Father tells Him to say (OT or NT era). Jesus is the Amen of the Father's will.

Joh_5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Joh_12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh_12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.​

See also Zechariah 3 in comparison to Jude:

Zec 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?​

Why do you think John 8:44 says anything that would not immediately harmonize with Jude or Zechariah? The Son is speaking (on behalf of the Father) to Satan in Jude, and speaking (on behalf of the Father) to Pharisees in John 8:44. The Son in Jude would not dare to speak a 'blaspheous accusation' against Satan, as that would be the character of the devil, and The Son does not use the devil's ways, see 1 Peter 3:9. The Son is the example for angels and mankind in all cases.

Jesus before he came was ONLY called the Angel of the Lord, never Michael!

 

[Yeshua1]

Already addressed your 'apparent' contradiction on numerous occasions, as did those I cited in the links. Even those proper Baptists have answered you from scripture.

Jesus says what the Father tells Him to say (OT or NT era). Jesus is the Amen of the Father's will.

Joh_5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Joh_12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh_12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.​

See also Zechariah 3 in comparison to Jude:

Zec 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?​

Why do you think John 8:44 says anything that would not immediately harmonize with Jude or Zechariah? The Son is speaking (on behalf of the Father) to Satan in Jude, and speaking (on behalf of the Father) to Pharisees in John 8:44. The Son in Jude would not dare to speak a 'blaspheous accusation' against Satan, as that would be the character of the devil, and The Son does not use the devil's ways, see 1 Peter 3:9. The Son is the example for angels and mankind in all cases.

Many of the founders of the Sda were arians, same view on Jesus as JW still are today, are you on eof them?

 

[Alofa Atu]

Why is the Sda a Cult?

Oh ~ here 'we' go... oh, please elaborate for us all ~ this ought to be good for a good laugh unto weeping.

They elevate Ellen White to level of the scriptures

No. You made it up. You are simply citing 'you' as authority on the matter. Try citing an actual document written by sister White on the matter. Here is also the official EGW Estate material on the matter - Ellen G. White® Estate: Ellen G. White's Understanding of How Her Writings Relate to Scripture And this may be of assistance to you as well - Ellen G. White® Estate: The Seventh-day Adventist Church's Understanding of Ellen White's Authority

See finally what she said - SDA: Cult of Fear-Mongers

as being inspired prophetess

Yes she was, and not only that, as her role was much more than a prophet, being a messenger of the LORD. This too is in print in her own words should you ever care to be accurate.

, same way Mormons did Joseph Smith

Already denied the false accusation with valid reasons (more if necessary) - Do The SDA See Ellen White As Modern Prophetess Then?

Seventh-day Adventists view Joseph Smith in the light of Isaiah 8:20.

See Jesus as archangel Michael

Yes, and? As demonstrated to you, and others, on several occasions, so did proper Baptists and many others with thorough documentation, all the way back to the time of Christ Jesus - SDA People Do Not Keep To The OT Dietary Restrictions

That you disagree, even with proper Baptists, shows you are in disagreement with more than simply 'us' (Seventh-day Adventists), but in reality are in disagreement with the whole of the Reformation and those before them, such all the way back unto Melito of Sardis. In reality, in disagreement not only with them, but with the scripture itself on the subject, but if you desire to remain unconvinced, then so be it, we will all answer to God for what we believed and taught and did. I am without fear of what I teach on the subject.

Hold to Inverstgative Judgement, no where in the Bible

It's "Investigative Judgment". As shown in both Video/Audio presentation and also in written (Powerpoint) presentation, the subject is found from Genesis to Revelation - How Do SDA Defend the Investigative Judgement of EW?

require Sabbath keeping to be saved

Not true at all. Have you actually read what Seventh-day Adventists, yea, even sister White, has in print? Have you even read the common book, The Great Controversy? Martin Luther never kept the 7th day the sabbath in his life, and yet will be in heaven in the time to come, and not only he, but many others, like William Miller, who also did not keep it. People like George Wishart, William Tyndale, Phillip Melanchton, John Knox, Wycliffe, and millions of others will also be there.

You have confused the 'mark of the beast' issue and timing with matters present and past dealing with Justification and Salvation.

Deny eternal Hell

Actually what Seventh-day Adventists deny is "eternal torment". I do desire that you at least one day get something right, and it might as well be begun with this.

Yep, Cult!

Only your misrepresentation (straw man) of us would be found as such in your own mind. It is not so in my mind, nor in the minds of others, neither as such as identified by the word of God, the primary judge of such things.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[Alofa Atu]

Here is the video re-uploaded in addressing the OP one last time:

 

[robycop3]

Already addressed your 'apparent' contradiction on numerous occasions, as did those I cited in the links. Even those proper Baptists have answered you from scripture.

Jesus says what the Father tells Him to say (OT or NT era). Jesus is the Amen of the Father's will.

Joh_5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Joh_12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh_12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.​

See also Zechariah 3 in comparison to Jude:

Zec 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?​

Why do you think John 8:44 says anything that would not immediately harmonize with Jude or Zechariah? The Son is speaking (on behalf of the Father) to Satan in Jude, and speaking (on behalf of the Father) to Pharisees in John 8:44. The Son in Jude would not dare to speak a 'blaspheous accusation' against Satan, as that would be the character of the devil, and The Son does not use the devil's ways, see 1 Peter 3:9. The Son is the example for angels and mankind in all cases.

Your reasoning is downright silly. Jesus does not change. If Michael were Divine, he woulda rebuked Satan himself insteada calling on the Lord to do it ! But JESUS called Satan a murderer & father of lies without hesitation.

JESUS IS NOT MICHAEL!
MICHAEL IS NOT JESUS !

Your guru EGW was wrong to say so! And YOU are wrong for believing her garbage !

 

[Alofa Atu]

Many of the founders of the Sda were arians, same view on Jesus as JW still are today, are you on eof them?

Start a new thread on it, and we can talk there.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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