Sean Hannity and Obama

[Bro. Curtis]

I wonder which one Hannity pledges allegiance to.

 

[saturneptune]

You are wrong. Hannity repeatedly says that he is a conservative. He is at least smart enough to know that a vote for any third party now is a wasted vote or in effect a vote for the democrat [remember 1992 and Ross the Perot].

Perhaps Governor Sarah Palin will be able to ignite a viable 3rd party though some on this Forum take pleasure [just like the liberal/left] in dumping on her. She may never make it to the presidency but she could ignite a viable revolt among Conservatives or Constitutionalists. I understand that she, along with Rep. Bachman of Minn., will be speaking at the Tea Party rally in Nashville in Feb.

Your last paragraph makes good sense, the first one I am not so sure. For those who continue to support the Republican Party, are in effect, saying, lets all vote for a liberal to keep another liberal from being elected.

As long as we keep electing the same, old, tired power structure, we are going to get the same results.

 

[Salty]

As long as we keep electing the same, old, tired power structure, we are going to get the same results.

And as long as all you do is vote - all you will have on the ballot are those who keep giving you the same results.

Another words, get involved in you local political party, be part of the nominating process, run for office your self, get your state or commonwealth to pass the fusion ballot, then start a new political party which can fuse the vote.
I've said it before, and will say it again, in NY the Republicans will normally listen to the Conservative Party, because they realize they usually need the Conservative Party line to win an election.

Get to personally know your legislatures, go to functions. Its surprising what can happen when you get involved. Yes, it does take time, but how important is a good running government mean to you?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

On Sean's Hannity's commentary yesterday morning, he stated that many who voted for Obama, are now changing their political ideology to conservative.

I tried to find a quick link to his opinion - did not find it yet (any help would be appreciated)

So do you agree with Sean, or do you think that it is just wishful thinking of the part of Sean?

I'm not a big "I told you so" kind of guy, but toward the end of the Bush administration, as the Democrats were rocketing left to the point of lunacy with the Republicans firmly in tow, I predicted an Obama victory (in all fairness, it wasn't exactly going out on a limb as it was becoming more and more obvious).

I then stated that Obama and the Democrates and their followers and hangers on would eventually move so far to the left and become so disconnected with the American people that their own Democrat followers would wake up and leave them.

Now, we're seeing more and more Republicans leave the GOP for more conservative pastures and more and more Democrats testing the waters of conservatism..

My next prediction is that these disillusioned Dems and Republicans are going to meet to form a coalition that's really going to set both parties back on their heels in the coming years.

 

[AresMan]

It would have been much slower though.

I'm rethinking my statement in a previous post. Perhaps the voters who gave us Obama said, "Enough of this mamby pamby, milquetoast Republican party. You want to reach across the aisle? Here ya go."

That's wishful thinking on my part, though.

I think that is realistic. I know a lot of conservative-minded people who were Republican faithfuls who voted for Obama in 2008. Many Republican voters were sick of Bush Republicans trampling on the Constitution with condescending pushes for draconian legislation that reeks of police state tactics. Many were lured over to a charming and promise-making Obama. Luckily, I knew that he, like Clinton, would make election promises and keep none of them and that he would only make the economic situation worse. I voted for a third-party candidate for the first time ever in 2008.

The fact that Obama has "lost" a lot of support does not reflect a full transition from "liberal" ideology to "conservative," but rather that Bush-disenfranchised conservatives who voted for Obama realize that he was not what they really wanted.

 

[AresMan]

If you think McCain would have tried to take over medical care I would put you in the same mental class as you put Hannity.

And which of us in 2000 would have known that the "compassionate conservative" would have created the monstrosity that is "No Child Left Behind." This type of thing comes right out of the liberal education policy playbook. Who knows what McCain would have done. Since he enthusiastically supported the bailouts along with Bush, who knows what he would have bowed to if the economic "crisis" brought enough pressure.

We need to stop support Republicans just because they have an "R" in front of their name on ballots. This doesn't mean a hill of beans anymore. If we want a Republican, we need to find one who actually understands the laws of economics, moral hazzard, unintended consequences, and policies that don't just make things appear good enough to guarantee a reelection. We need someone who understands the Constitution (you know, that document that one must swear to defend and uphold as qualification for office) and real, conservative economics, such as the Austrian school.

 

[windcatcher]

And which of us in 2000 would have known that the "compassionate conservative" would have created the monstrosity that is "No Child Left Behind." This type of thing comes right out of the liberal education policy playbook. Who knows what McCain would have done. Since he enthusiastically supported the bailouts along with Bush, who knows what he would have bowed to if the economic "crisis" brought enough pressure.

We need to stop support Republicans just because they have an "R" in front of their name on ballots. This doesn't mean a hill of beans anymore. If we want a Republican, we need to find one who actually understands the laws of economics, moral hazzard, unintended consequences, and policies that don't just make things appear good enough to guarantee a reelection. We need someone who understands the Constitution (you know, that document that one must swear to defend and uphold as qualification for office) and real, conservative economics, such as the Austrian school.

Agreed.
To get the change we need..... we must stop thinking in terms of party and start thinking, voting, working, and supporting our principals. Most politicians.... even those considered 'conservative' ..... good ole Newt.... are globalist and that means a socialist/ liberal/ big government bent no matter how they stroke it.

 

[saturneptune]

And as long as all you do is vote - all you will have on the ballot are those who keep giving you the same results.

Another words, get involved in you local political party, be part of the nominating process, run for office your self, get your state or commonwealth to pass the fusion ballot, then start a new political party which can fuse the vote.
I've said it before, and will say it again, in NY the Republicans will normally listen to the Conservative Party, because they realize they usually need the Conservative Party line to win an election.

Get to personally know your legislatures, go to functions. Its surprising what can happen when you get involved. Yes, it does take time, but how important is a good running government mean to you?

New York has nothing to do with Kentucky. Kentucky is a solidly conservative state, New York is liberal. The reason I belong to the Constitution Party is the state of the two major parties nationally, not locally. Most here are conservative regardless of party. A fusion ballot, no thanks. Why would one want a fusion ballot with one of the two major parties that have got this nation to where it is?

I totally disagree with the premise that one must run for office to be involved in the direction this country takes. There are many other forms of service, such as being involved in the party to which you belong, being involved in your community to give younger people a sense of civic pride, and countless other things besides being a candidate for office.

 

[saturneptune]

Agreed.
To get the change we need..... we must stop thinking in terms of party and start thinking, voting, working, and supporting our principals. Most politicians.... even those considered 'conservative' ..... good ole Newt.... are globalist and that means a socialist/ liberal/ big government bent no matter how they stroke it.

Excellent post. Until things change from the same choice a and b nonsense, nothing is going to change. The last thing this country needs are Republican apologists. (except for Democrats)

 

[Salty]

New York has nothing to do with Kentucky. Kentucky is a solidly conservative state, New York is liberal. The reason I belong to the Constitution Party is the state of the two major parties nationally, not locally. Most here are conservative regardless of party. A fusion ballot, no thanks. Why would one want a fusion ballot with one of the two major parties that have got this nation to where it is?

I totally disagree with the premise that one must run for office to be involved in the direction this country takes. There are many other forms of service, such as being involved in the party to which you belong, being involved in your community to give younger people a sense of civic pride, and countless other things besides being a candidate for office.

Fusion Ballot - if Ky did have the fusion, and Ron Paul ran on the Repbulican, Constitution Party, and Liberitian Party, do you think his chances of winning would be much improved?

BTW, just because we have fusion, does not mean we always endorse the Republican, there are times we run our own candidate - think NY 23rd.

I never said you have to run to be involved, that is only one possibility. But when many canidates run unopposed, then I see a major probllem. Often those running unopposed are incumbents - beacuse the other party does not want to "waste money" on that race.

But in my opinion most Christians are not involved in their local political party, yet I condend they are some who complain the loudest about the direction the country; State or Commonwealty; or local goverments.

 

[Salty]

Kentucky is a solidly conservative state, New York is liberal. .

NEW YORK CITY IS LIBERAL.
New York State (upstate - is more conservative)


I see that Governor Steven L. 'Steve' Beshear is a Democrat and he refused to provide any responses to citizens on issues.

I watched his 2 min campaign talk, and did not give any indication of whether he is a conservative or a liberal; just a slick political message.

I did find he campaigned to expand gaming legislation, and wanted more casinos
The Governor has decided that the Christmas tree on the lawn of the Kentucky State Capitol in Frankfort should instead be officially designated a "holiday" tree. But a cry from real conservatives reversed that decision.

ON THE ISSUES:

He is pro-abortion
He supports affirmative action
He supports limiting campaign limits - with reduced TV rates ( so he is anti-business)
Maintain gun restrictions
Relax wiretapping restrictions - for homeland security

Several issues had no stance.

So you say that

"Kentucky is a solidly conservative state"

If Kentucky is solidly conservative, I'd hate to think what a liberal is like!

Salty

 

[saturneptune]

NEW YORK CITY IS LIBERAL.
New York State (upstate - is more conservative)


I see that Governor Steven L. 'Steve' Beshear is a Democrat and he refused to provide any responses to citizens on issues.

I watched his 2 min campaign talk, and did not give any indication of whether he is a conservative or a liberal; just a slick political message.

I did find he campaigned to expand gaming legislation, and wanted more casinos
The Governor has decided that the Christmas tree on the lawn of the Kentucky State Capitol in Frankfort should instead be officially designated a "holiday" tree. But a cry from real conservatives reversed that decision.

ON THE ISSUES:

He is pro-abortion
He supports affirmative action
He supports limiting campaign limits - with reduced TV rates ( so he is anti-business)
Maintain gun restrictions
Relax wiretapping restrictions - for homeland security

Several issues had no stance.

So you say that

"Kentucky is a solidly conservative state"

If Kentucky is solidly conservative, I'd hate to think what a liberal is like!

Salty

That is because you failed to look into the circumstances that got him elected. The former Republican Governor Ernie Fletcher's administration was riddled with scandal. If you would hate to think what is liberal, look at the clowns running your state government, and your Congressional delegation. It seems to me before you post, you should study.

Kentucky has two Republican senators, and five of the six Congressmen are Republican. Not that I consider that a badge of honor, but compared to your state, it is the difference between Marxism and captialism.

You make lots of political posts, and start lots of threads, but in reality, they do nothing towards bringing this country back to being governed by the Constitution. A "fusion" ballot between a conservative that will never win and a liberal Republican accomplishes nothing.

It would not hurt this nation one iota to give New York, Massachussetts, New Jersey and a few other states to China to pay for the national debt.

 

[Salty]

You stated:
A "fusion" ballot between a conservative that will never win and a liberal Republican accomplishes nothing.

Evidently you do not understand a fusion ballot.

By the way, NY has had winners solely on the Conservative Party line!

Since you know so much about NY State politics, what you say is the biggest problem with NY passing a State budget?

Salty

PS

Then I had better not mention I am no fan of the Constitution party. At least the Constitution Party of NY.

 

[saturneptune]

Then I had better not mention I am no fan of the Constitution party.

Imagine that.

 

[Salty]

Kentucky is a solidly conservative state, New York is liberal..

You are absolutely right. NY is liberal. The State Senate is so liberal, they even voted down the homosexu@al marriage bill. http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2398724/posts

Oh what a shame.

With 100% of Senators voting, the outcome was 38-24 (61.3%)

What will a good conservative do???