Security and Liberty

[Reformed1689]

What did Benjamin Franklin say?

Those who would sacrifice liberty to gain a little security are neither safe nor free?

#stopthelockdown

 

[church mouse guy]

What did Benjamin Franklin say?

Those who would sacrifice liberty to gain a little security are neither safe nor free?

#stopthelockdown

I didn't think that you Kentuckians were locked down. I knew your governor is something else but we Hoosiers don't exactly have a ball of energy in our Statehouse. It seems as if Ohio's DeWine is running Indiana, too. Ohio says that they will open back up May 1, and I am waiting for our Eric Holcomb to say, "Me, too!", the perpetual cry of the country club Republican.

 

[Reformed1689]

I didn't think that you Kentuckians were locked down. I knew your governor is something else but we Hoosiers don't exactly have a ball of energy in our Statehouse. It seems as if Ohio's DeWine is running Indiana, too. Ohio says that they will open back up May 1, and I am waiting for our Eric Holcomb to say, "Me, too!", the perpetual cry of the country club Republican.

Everyone should open back up by May 1.

 

[Reynolds]

What did Benjamin Franklin say?

Those who would sacrifice liberty to gain a little security are neither safe nor free?

#stopthelockdown

Yep. That debate is raging in the thread about NJ governor on Tucker Carlson.

 

[Reynolds]

Everyone should open back up by May 1.

Red states will. Blue states will continue to wallow in their stupidity.

 

[Benjamin]

Everyone should open back up by May 1.

 

[church mouse guy]

Red states will. Blue states will continue to wallow in their stupidity.

Blue states and blue cities have the most cases--is it bad government or bad social conditions?

According to the Indianapolis Star newspaper, "In total, Indiana is now approaching 10,000 positive cases (9,542) and 500 deaths (477)."

Indiana Governor Eric Holcomb has joined in an association with Ohio, Kentucky, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota on re-opening plans. So far Holcomb has not announced a date and Indiana has been much worse than Ohio and Kentucky--Indiana being the third state in what is called the tri-state area.

Holcomb is considered a shoo-in for re-election as the Democrats have a weak candidate in a former Director of the Indiana Board of Health. Holcomb worked for former Governor Mitch Daniels now President of Purdue University. Then he worked for Sen. Dan Coats, whom Trump fired from Director of National Intelligence because he criticized Trump publicly. Finally, Holcomb was chosen by Pence to be his Lt. Gov. in March 2016 in a strange deal wherein the former Lt. Gov. Sue Espermann resigned to become President of Ivy Tech Community College of Indiana.

So Holcomb probably will re-open Indiana on May 1.

 

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[Scott Downey]

Blue states and blue cities have the most cases--is it bad government or bad social conditions?

According to the Indianapolis Star newspaper, "In total, Indiana is now approaching 10,000 positive cases (9,542) and 500 deaths (477)."

Indiana Governor Eric Holcomb has joined in an association with Ohio, Kentucky, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota on re-opening plans. So far Holcomb has not announced a date and Indiana has been much worse than Ohio and Kentucky--Indiana being the third state in what is called the tri-state area.

Holcomb is considered a shoo-in for re-election as the Democrats have a weak candidate in a former Director of the Indiana Board of Health. Holcomb worked for former Governor Mitch Daniels now President of Purdue University. Then he worked for Sen. Dan Coats, whom Trump fired from Director of National Intelligence because he criticized Trump publicly. Finally, Holcomb was chosen by Pence to be his Lt. Gov. in March 2016 in a strange deal wherein the former Lt. Gov. Sue Espermann resigned to become President of Ivy Tech Community College of Indiana.

So Holcomb probably will re-open Indiana on May 1.

Both, and both cause the other.

 

[Revmitchell]

Everyone should open back up by May 1.

Yep, the China Wuhan Virus will run its course no matter what we do.

 

[church mouse guy]

Yep, the China Wuhan Virus will run its course no matter what we do.

A Stanford professor is now saying that based on testing done in California the death rate is 1 or 2 per thousand, much like the regular flu. It seems that 2.81% of the population have had it--that would be about 3 million according to that one study but we need more studies and Major League Baseball is going to participate in studies this season.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

A Stanford professor is now saying that based on testing done in California the death rate is 1 or 2 per thousand, much like the regular flu. It seems that 2.81% of the population have had it--that would be about 3 million according to that one study but we need more studies and Major League Baseball is going to participate in studies this season.

Very informative. According to Dr. Bhattacharya (MD, PhD), he has already antibody-tested employees (but not players) across the MLB spectrum, collected the data, and is now preparing the report. It should be out in the next couple of weeks or so. That should prove very useful.

 

[Benjamin]

Yep, the China Wuhan Virus will run its course no matter what we do.

Are you really that dense to not realize that the action we took as a nation working together to slow this disease down and give us time to deal with it has saved countless lives?! I am just at a loss of words to use here that this means nothing to you? Do you even have the common sense to understand that it could surge before we are ready to deal with it and the people that will die from that mistake?!! Does anything mean more to you than pushing hyper political narratives?

 

[Wingman68]

It would have basically run it’s course by now, without the shutdown, now we have to play it out twice as long, with a severely wounded economy. We have not gained anything, but have lost much. The same amount of people will die..,,,just over a longer time. Do you pull off a bandaid slowly? Or just rip it off & be done?! I’m really growing weary of the personal attacks on this forum, & have lost much respect for some.......sad.

Navy Master Chief stands his ground, becomes face of freedom as coastal towns cautiously lift beach restrictions

 

[Adonia]

Are you really that dense to not realize that the action we took as a nation working together to slow this disease down and give us time to deal with it has saved countless lives?! I am just at a loss of words to use here that this means nothing to you? Do you even have the common sense to understand that it could surge before we are ready to deal with it and the people that will die from that mistake?!! Does anything mean more to you than pushing hyper political narratives?

Okay, but now we have a handle on it and know what we need to do to open the country. If grocery stores can remain open, why not other stores like Best Buy? At some point you cannot let the cure be worse for the country (economically and mentally) than the disease.

As for dying, people die all the time so don't use that as an excuse. We weigh things out against each other and then act accordingly. The question we now need to ask is do we destroy the nation in order to save it? And what would we be left with then, a socialist entity from top to bottom? No thank you!

Those that want such a thing are using this virus (which is one of many that affects humanity) to their own advantage. Witness Andrew Cuomo who wants unlimited monetary resources from the Feds to pay down the big debt he ran up before the virus hit, or Whitmer from Michigan who has become absolute dictatorial with her actions.

Enough already, it's time for us to re-open the country and get everyone back to work so we can live our lives to the fullest as God intends for us to always do.

 

[Benjamin]

Okay, but now we have a handle on it...

Pigs fly...

...and know what we need to do to open the country.

Yes, and we this needs to be done slowly, carefully, methodically and in phases, NOT just slam open the doors and let loose! Do you not know what I am responding to? Educate yourself:

Everyone should open back up by May 1.

Does that sound like the precautions we need to take?

If grocery stores can remain open, why not other stores like Best Buy?

Because grocery stores are essential and it is being accessed with social distancing and making less trips, yet still carries a risk. The reason other stores are closed is to facilitate slowing the spread of the virus, duh. Obviously opening all the other stores would greatly increase the risk of spreading the virus because COVIDIOTS would show with their kids at best buy and leave them to play on video monitors while they browse around and cough on things.

At some point you cannot let the cure be worse for the country (economically and mentally) than the disease.

True, but we are far from that point and much greater threat is a surge of the spread of this virus and still that fact remains that we need to use great caution while slowly opening it back up to avoid a tragic surge, but that is not what people are saying they are suggesting we just open it up and let herd immunity take care of it. - pure insanity!

As for dying, people die all the time so don't use that as an excuse.

Seriously???

We weigh things out against each other and then act accordingly.

If someone wants to open it up right now and just let it run its course their scale is off balance.

The question we now need to ask is do we destroy the nation in order to save it? And what would we be left with then, a socialist entity from top to bottom? No thank you!

Those that want such a thing are using this virus (which is one of many that affects humanity) to their own advantage. Witness Andrew Cuomo who wants unlimited monetary resources from the Feds to pay down the big debt he ran up before the virus hit, or Whitmer from Michigan who has become absolute dictatorial with her actions.

I am well aware of the hyper political narrative that fuels this bandwagon, in fact I imagine Tucker Carson with a whistle in his mouth leading it, but I don't sit at home shaking about a socialist takeover conspiracy because my focus is on the reality that this virus left unchecked and allowed to run its course could kill easily kill millions in a short time! At this time there is no comparison between the damage, via suicide, and the threat this virus is capable of, people are not starving to death in this country, if your first priority is not looking at what will protect the most lives then your priorities are seriously messed up. What is more important money and temporary comfort or a person's life?

Enough already, it's time for us to re-open the country and get everyone back to work so we can live our lives....

Hard to live your cushy little life when you're dead because of being too anxious to get your cushy back!

...as God intends for us to always do.

I think God would have us disregard the money and hardships and bless us for trying to protect the lives of our friends. You seem to be looking at it as to suggest we let nature take its course or like the abortionists who use the excuse the child would lead a life of poverty so it better off dead.

 

[HankD]

A thought crossed my mind - if covid is a certified weapon developed for the germ warfare bioarsenal then an antidote/vaccine/cure exists and is in the possession of the virus inventor.

that's just common sense.

also and astonishingly, the fatality victims of covid-19 are mostly (like 75%) OVER 80 years old.
GLOBAL EUGENICS. the elderly which require COLOSSAL AND EXPENSIVE care giving almost 24/7

SO WE HAVE TOOLS/WEAPONS ON BOTH ENDS OF THE SPREADSHEET DRAMA OF LIFE

babies abortion/infanticide ; elderly eugenics/euthanasia.

HUXLEY WOULD BE PROUD. Brave New World - Wikipedia

 

[Scott Downey]

A thought crossed my mind - if covid is a certified weapon developed for the germ warfare bioarsenal then an antidote/vaccine/cure exists and is in the possession of the virus inventor.

that's just common sense.

also and astonishingly, the fatality victims of covid-19 are mostly (like 75%) OVER 80 years old.
GLOBAL EUGENICS. the elderly which require COLOSSAL AND EXPENSIVE care giving almost 24/7

SO WE HAVE TOOLS/WEAPONS ON BOTH ENDS OF THE SPREADSHEET DRAMA OF LIFE

babies abortion/infanticide ; elderly eugenics/euthanasia.

HUXLEY WOULD BE PROUD. Brave New World - Wikipedia

Governments lightening the load on future social security payments? After the US went off the gold standard, it made money from an asset into debt. Everything runs on debt financing today, the debts are so high but no one seems to care, but the dollar steadily depreciates meaning the poor will always be here. Dont hold dollars under your mattress , you get no return on cash. SS payouts per year is about a trillion dollars. Losing a few tens of thousands of people when there are tens of millions getting SS, is a meaningless difference.

 

[church mouse guy]

With little money being paid in and yet payments going out, Social Security is even more of a disaster than usual.

 

[Reynolds]

With little money being paid in and yet payments going out, Social Security is even more of a disaster than usual.

Most folks dont realize SS is being robbed by the Cares act. Reimbursement for the mandated leave comes by employer retaining SS until he is reimbursed for the mandatory leave.