Seeking God

[AustinC]

Say I go to the store to buy apples. Now before I enter the store, I have corporately chosen apples, not individually but as a type or kind or group with a common characteristic.

Now say choose a Redeemer. His purpose is to redeem believers. So when I chose Him individually I chose corporately all those He would redeem. Got it?

Van, when you go to a market, you pick individual apples from various types of apples. (God chooses individual people from every nation, tribe, and tongue.) As these apples are selected, they make a group. That is what Paul is referring to in Ephesians 1 when he says "us." This is what the author of Hebrews is saying when he points out the saints who exhibited individual faith (Hebrews 11) and then says "Therefore, since we have this cloud of witnesses to the faith..." The author is showing how each saint makes up a whole which is our legacy of faith, because Jesus author's and finishes our individual faith. (Hebrews 12:1-3)
Van, your corporate election theory is debunked by the Bible. Not by Calvinists, Van, but by God, in the Bible. Let that sink in. God shows you your error. The Bible shows you your error. You have to answer to God for your position, which God does not support.
No more boogeyman, Van.

 

[Van]

You have provided bogus references with your own logic, not Scriptural backing. Individuals were chosen to become a people. A people are made up of INDIVIDUALS. You need to do a study on what it means to know, this is not know about, this is an intimate knowledge Van. Study to show yourself approved sir.

Not how 1 Peter 2:9-10 reads.
But you are A CHOSEN PEOPLE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR GOD’S OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; for you once were NOT A PEOPLE, but now you are THE PEOPLE OF GOD; you had NOT RECEIVED MERCY, but now you have RECEIVED MERCY.

Does the verse chosen to become a people? Nope, that rewrite is nowhere to be found. On and on folks, on and on. Next an effort to change the subject to the fictional view of know by Calvinism. Those not chosen were known. Full Stop. Next, after posting non-stop unbiblical rewrites, a charge I need to study. They have no shame...

 

[Van]

Van, when you go to a market, you pick individual apples from various types of apples. (God chooses individual people from every nation, tribe, and tongue.) As these apples are selected, they make a group. That is what Paul is referring to in Ephesians 1 when he says "us." This is what the author of Hebrews is saying when he points out the saints who exhibited individual faith (Hebrews 11) and then says "Therefore, since we have this cloud of witnesses to the faith..." The author is showing how each saint makes up a whole which is our legacy of faith, because Jesus author's and finishes our individual faith. (Hebrews 12:1-3)
Van, your corporate election theory is debunked by the Bible. Not by Calvinists, Van, but by God, in the Bible. Let that sink in. God shows you your error. The Bible shows you your error. You have to answer to God for your position, which God does not support.
No more boogeyman, Van.

LOL, now my corporate election of apples is rewritten to be a corporate election of various kinds of apples. Did any one say individuals could not comprise a group? Nope. On and on, deflection after deflection. The bible supports the corporate election view of Ephesians 1:4 and the individual election view of 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

1 Peter 2:9-10 precludes the Calvinist false claim the election of Ephesians 1:4 was individual. Full Stop

 

[Van]

Nothing I said contradicts Romans 4:16

Folks, on and on, one denial follows another. He said salvation based on God crediting our faith as righteousness was a works based salvation. An outrageous falsehood. Salvation by faith is according to grace not works. Romans 4:16.

 

[Van]

Yet here is what Scripture ACTUALLY says:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Ro 3:10–12.

Did anyone say some were righteous? Nope.
Did anyone say we all have not turned aside into sin? Nope
Did anyone say our works of righteousness were not filthy rags? Nope

No one seeks God when turning aside, when sinning. But at other times some people sought God. Full Stop.

 

[AustinC]

Folks, on and on, one denial follows another. He said salvation based on God crediting our faith as righteousness was a works based salvation. An outrageous falsehood. Salvation by faith is according to grace not works. Romans 4:16.

Who are you talking to? Everyone on the board disagrees with you. There are no "folks" that support your unsupported assertion.

 

[Van]

Who are you talking to? Everyone on the board disagrees with you. There are no "folks" that support your unsupported assertion.

Ah the mind reader pontificates. Addressing the poster and not the biblical issue. Go figure...

Scripture says "no one seeks God" and Calvinism claims it means no one ever seeks God, but scripture says people sought God. So they post personal attacks to hide their false doctrine. And folks, that is the truth...

 

[Reformed1689]

Did anyone say some were righteous? Nope.
Did anyone say we all have not turned aside into sin? Nope
Did anyone say our works of righteousness were not filthy rags? Nope

No one seeks God when turning aside, when sinning. But at other times some people sought God. Full Stop.

I love how you skip over the part of NOBODY SEEKS GOD. It's right there Van. It DOES NOT SAY "Nobody seeks God when sinning" that is not what it says. It says nobody seeks God.

 

[Reformed1689]

He said salvation based on God crediting our faith as righteousness was a works based salvation.

That is not what I said.

 

[Reformed1689]

Those not chosen were known.

Show me that verse.

 

[AustinC]

Ah the mind reader pontificates. Addressing the poster and not the biblical issue. Go figure...

Scripture says "no one seeks God" and Calvinism claims it means no one ever seeks God, but scripture says people sought God. So they post personal attacks to hide their false doctrine. And folks, that is the truth...

Van, I showed scripture and why you are in error.
Who are the "folks" you are addressing when no one agrees with you.
The issue of seeking has been addressed with you in previous interactions.
The issue of covenant people seeking, as opposed to dead in trespasses sinners not seeking has been addressed with you. Your incapacity to understand is not my problem.

 

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