Seeking God?

[Van]

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Psalms 14:4:
"I sought the LORD, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears."

Saint David was saved soul and "sought the Lord", as a saved soul.
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David had not been regenerated, made perfect, and therefore in his fallen condition sought the Lord.

Next Acts 13:7 says a fallen person, spiritually dead in sins, sought the word of the Lord, and the absurd claim was made seeking the word of the Lord is not seeking God! I kid you not.

The claim that the lost are unable to seek God is false. Full Stop

 

[Van]

I already told you who "My People" are in my previous post. Your redundancy is old.

God chose who would believe in the Promised One from before the foundation of the world. God's word is for us whom God chose to redeem. Everyone else will either find it foolish or they will massively misunderstand what God is saying and will create a salvation of works from its text.

God chooses. God laughs at the wicked. (Psalm 2)

You can repeat your claims, but "My people" refers to believing Jews. No OT Saint was regenerated, made perfect, until after Christ died. Your rewrite of scripture is invalid.

 

[Van]

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Based on their filthy rag faith God credits a lost soul with the Perfect Righteousness of Jesus Christ
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All these posters do is misrepresent either the Word of God or the views of others!

Did I say having the filthy rag faith of the lost credited as righteousness "credits a lost soul with the Perfect Righteousness of Jesus Christ?" Nope

On and on folks,nearly every post contains falsehoods.

Does a lost person "elect themselves" by placing their faith in Christ? Nope, salvation does not, repeat does not, depend on the person who wills or works to be saved, but upon God alone, Romans 9:16. However, these posters post this false claim over and over.

 

[Silverhair]

LOL, you are so desperate to promote your humanism that you push all Scripture, which destroys your humanism, into your Calvin box. Your dishonesty is becoming legendary here at the BB. You simply will not accept that God rules over you.

Why do you continue to question my Christian faith? I have pointed out what I believe more than once on this board and yet you persist in this foolishness. To be blunt you are acting very childish.

 

[AustinC]

Why do you continue to question my Christian faith? I have pointed out what I believe more than once on this board and yet you persist in this foolishness. To be blunt you are acting very childish.

You tell us you are a humanist who believes God stays out of your business until you first stick your nose into God's business. You keep telling us that God cannot intervene in your freedom to do whatever you want to do. You tell us that God cannot chose to save sinners because that would make God a monster who controls humans as though they were puppets. You continually lift up man as the controller of his destiny while God must wait to see what man will do before He can do anything.

I question your humanist theology, which is just awful stuff that no Christian should ever agree with. How it is that you cannot let go of such an awful, humanist, theology is what I question. You are honestly one of the worst discerners of scripture I have ever interacted with. There are atheists and Muslims that I have talked with who understand what the Bible teaches better than you do. So, I will not question your faith, but I most certainly question your theology. It is pure humanist rubbage.

 

[AVL1984]

You tell us you are a humanist who believes God stays out of your business until you first stick your nose into God's business. You keep telling us that God cannot intervene in your freedom to do whatever you want to do. You tell us that God cannot chose to save sinners because that would make God a monster who controls humans as though they were puppets. You continually lift up man as the controller of his destiny while God must wait to see what man will do before He can do anything.

I question your humanist theology, which is just awful stuff that no Christian should ever agree with. How it is that you cannot let go of such an awful, humanist, theology is what I question. You are honestly one of the worst discerners of scripture I have ever interacted with. There are atheists and Muslims that I have talked with who understand what the Bible teaches better than you do. So, I will not question your faith, but I most certainly question your theology. It is pure humanist rubbage.

You love to misrepresent what people say, and what they believe. Nobody is saying God has to sit and wait on anyone. If he does, he's not God. If he had to do so, he wouldn't be omniscient....so, once again, a Calvinist lies about what those who hold to free will believe and preach. That makes NOBODY a 'humanist.' It does, however, make you a prevaricator.

 

[Silverhair]

You tell us you are a humanist who believes God stays out of your business until you first stick your nose into God's business. You keep telling us that God cannot intervene in your freedom to do whatever you want to do. You tell us that God cannot chose to save sinners because that would make God a monster who controls humans as though they were puppets. You continually lift up man as the controller of his destiny while God must wait to see what man will do before He can do anything.

I question your humanist theology, which is just awful stuff that no Christian should ever agree with. How it is that you cannot let go of such an awful, humanist, theology is what I question. You are honestly one of the worst discerners of scripture I have ever interacted with. There are atheists and Muslims that I have talked with who understand what the Bible teaches better than you do. So, I will not question your faith, but I most certainly question your theology. It is pure humanist rubbage.

From what I have seen of your comments anyone that does not think the same as you is in your mind a humanist. I have pointed you to the scriptures but you ignore those or just twist what I have said. For someone that claims to be a Christian you do not present a Christian ethic.

You do remind me of a hyper-calvinist.

 

[Silverhair]

You tell us you are a humanist who believes God stays out of your business until you first stick your nose into God's business. You keep telling us that God cannot intervene in your freedom to do whatever you want to do. You tell us that God cannot chose to save sinners because that would make God a monster who controls humans as though they were puppets. You continually lift up man as the controller of his destiny while God must wait to see what man will do before He can do anything.

I question your humanist theology, which is just awful stuff that no Christian should ever agree with. How it is that you cannot let go of such an awful, humanist, theology is what I question. You are honestly one of the worst discerners of scripture I have ever interacted with. There are atheists and Muslims that I have talked with who understand what the Bible teaches better than you do. So, I will not question your faith, but I most certainly question your theology. It is pure humanist rubbage.

Are you once again going to ignore what I have posted and continue to question my Christian faith. I posted this before but you ignored it then but perhaps this time you will actually read it and believe what I have said.

The Righteousness of God Through Faith

I believe man has the capacity to respond willingly to God’s means of seeking to save the lost, NOT that man would seek God if left alone.

I believe our gracious God is actively working in and through creation, conscience, His bride, His Holy Spirit filled followers, and His Word to aid humanity in their conversion.

I believe salvation is wholly of God in that He owes no man forgiveness or eternal life, even if they freely repent and humbly submit to Him as Lord and Savior.

Asking for forgiveness no more merits that forgiveness than the prodigal son’s return home merited the reception he received from his father.

The false belief that forgiveness is somehow owed to those who freely humble themselves and ask for it leads to erroneous conclusions.

Faith in Christ Jesus is not a work, it is not meritorious but it is God's condition for salvation.

 

[Alan Gross]

David had not been regenerated, made perfect, and therefore

I would be interested to know if any other professing Christian has ever believed that;

because then you place this axiom into an equation that brings you to the place that you try to think you can conclude:

in his fallen condition sought the Lord.

So, if you put garbage in, you get garbage out.

And that is true whether or not your initial promise is, or not.

 

[Alan Gross]

having the filthy rag faith of the lost credited as righteousness

So, they are just "credited" with Eternal Salvation?

credited as righteousness

Or then, what do you mean by "righteousness"?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

'Seeking God'
First of all, God isn't actually the One who is lost.
Secondly, the Scripture tells us that 'There is no one who seeks after God' (Romans 3:11).
The seeking is all of God. 'For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost' (Luke 19:10).
If someone is seeking God it is because God has loved him with an everlasting love and drawn him with lovingkindness (Jeremiah 31:3).

 

[Martin Marprelate]

In the light of Matthew 17:20, what exactly is 'filthy rag faith' and where does such a thing appear in Scripture?

 

[AustinC]

You love to misrepresent what people say, and what they believe. Nobody is saying God has to sit and wait on anyone. If he does, he's not God. If he had to do so, he wouldn't be omniscient....so, once again, a Calvinist lies about what those who hold to free will believe and preach. That makes NOBODY a 'humanist.' It does, however, make you a prevaricator.

So, God can choose to save you without your approval? Is that accurate?
God can choose who will be saved, at anytime, say even before the foundation of the world? Is that accurate?
When God tells you that you were predestined, chosen, and elect unto salvation, He doesn't need your approval. Is that accurate?

 

[AustinC]

From what I have seen of your comments anyone that does not think the same as you is in your mind a humanist. I have pointed you to the scriptures but you ignore those or just twist what I have said. For someone that claims to be a Christian you do not present a Christian ethic.

You do remind me of a hyper-calvinist.

Not at all. I disagree with Alan on baptism. Alan is not a humanist. I disagree with Jon on the atonement. Jon is not a humanist.
Sliverhair, you put man on a pedestal and bring God down below man in your theology. That is precisely why I call your theology humanist.

 

[AustinC]

Are you once again going to ignore what I have posted and continue to question my Christian faith. I posted this before but you ignored it then but perhaps this time you will actually read it and believe what I have said.

Let's give it a try...

The Righteousness of God Through Faith

I believe

man has the capacity to respond willingly to God’s means of seeking to save the lost, NOT that man would seek God if left alone.

Humanism 101

Bible: No one seeks God, not even one.

I believe

our gracious God is actively working in and through creation, conscience, His bride, His Holy Spirit filled followers, and His Word to aid humanity in their conversion.

Humanism 101

"Creation conscience" what gobbly gook nonsense philosophy is that. Not one shred of Biblical support.

Bible: God chooses to save those whom he adopted before the foundation of the world.

I believe

salvation is wholly of God in that He owes no man forgiveness or eternal life, even if they freely repent and humbly submit to Him as Lord and Savior.

Humanism 101 - half truth

Bible: Even while we were dead in our trespasses, God made us alive. By grace we are saved.

There is no freedom given by sin for a person to repent. God must break them free from their shackles before repentance can happen.

Asking for forgiveness no more merits that forgiveness than the prodigal son’s return home merited the reception he received from his father.

The prodigal son was already in the Father's house. He was not outside the family. All believer's have the potential to be like the prodigal son. Those outside the family receive no inheritance.

The false belief that forgiveness is somehow owed to those who freely humble themselves and ask for it leads to erroneous conclusions.

A dead person won't even ask for forgiveness, nor humble themselves.

Faith in Christ Jesus is not a work, it is not meritorious but it is God's condition for salvation.

Humanism 101

Bible: But God, even while you were dead in sins, made you alive with Christ Jesus. By grace you are saved.

Faith before salvation is humanism 101 and salvation by law apart from grace.

Sliverhair, thank you for sharing. Now you, and all readers, can clearly see why your theology is humanist.

 

[Silverhair]

Let's give it a try...




Humanism 101

Bible: No one seeks God, not even one.


Humanism 101

"Creation conscience" what gobbly gook nonsense philosophy is that. Not one shred of Biblical support.

Bible: God chooses to save those whom he adopted before the foundation of the world.


Humanism 101 - half truth

Bible: Even while we were dead in our trespasses, God made us alive. By grace we are saved.

There is no freedom given by sin for a person to repent. God must break them free from their shackles before repentance can happen.


The prodigal son was already in the Father's house. He was not outside the family. All believer's have the potential to be like the prodigal son. Those outside the family receive no inheritance.


A dead person won't even ask for forgiveness, nor humble themselves.


Humanism 101

Bible: But God, even while you were dead in sins, made you alive with Christ Jesus. By grace you are saved.

Faith before salvation is humanism 101 and salvation by law apart from grace.

Sliverhair, thank you for sharing. Now you, and all readers, can clearly see why your theology is humanist.

Austin, just as @AVL1984 said you twist peoples words to suit your errant views. That is why I take what you say with a grain of salt.

One thing that does come through is that what I say must really point out your errors to you as it cuts you to the core. You have to resort to smear tactics rather than deal with scripture. Shallow, very shallow.

 

[Van]

'Seeking God'
First of all, God isn't actually the One who is lost.
Secondly, the Scripture tells us that 'There is no one who seeks after God' (Romans 3:11).
The seeking is all of God. 'For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost' (Luke 19:10).
If someone is seeking God it is because God has loved him with an everlasting love and drawn him with lovingkindness (Jeremiah 31:3).

Firstly Scripture does not tell us "There is not one who ever seeks after God!" Romans 3:11
Secondly, Scripture does tell us lost people seek after God. Acts 13:7
Thirdly, Scripture tells us God allows some people to find Him. 2 Chronicles 15:4
Fourthly, no one seeks after God unless they believe He exists and rewards those who seek Him. Hebrews 11:6

Folks, ask yourselves how anyone familiar with Scripture could believe the lost are unable to seek God?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Firstly Scripture does not tell us "There is not one who ever seeks after God!" Romans 3:11

Proverbs 30:5-6. 'Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and you be found a liar.'
God says 'There is none who seeks God.' [Expanded somewhat by John 6:44]
Van says 'There are some who seek God.' Whom shall we believe?

Secondly, Scripture does tell us lost people seek after God. Acts 13:7

Acts of the Apostles 13:7. '.... Who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, an intelligent man. This man called for Barnabas and Saul, and sought to hear te word of God.' So this man was interested in the word of God. This puts him together with King Herod (Mark 6:20) and Felix (Acts of the Apostles 24:24-25). We read in verse 12 that Paulus was astonished at the miracle wrought by Saul/Paul, but we know that the scribes and Pharisees witnessed many of our Lord's miracles and only hated him the more. If this man was saved (and we are not told either way) then it is because God was drawing Him (John 6:44).

Thirdly, Scripture tells us God allows some people to find Him. 2 Chronicles 15:4

Indeed, but John 6:44 still applies.

Fourthly, no one seeks after God unless they believe He exists and rewards those who seek Him. Hebrews 11:6

Just so, but John 6:44 still applies. 'But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he receive them, because they are spiritually discerned' (1 Cor. 2:14)

Fols, ask yourselves how anyone familiar with Scripture could believe the lost are unable to seek God?

Folks, ask yourselves how anyone familiar with the Scriptures could believe the lost are able to seek God unless He draws them.
Praise God, there will be a vast crowd on the Last Day from every tribe and tongue and people and nation, standing before the throne of God. And they will be singing, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb.' And a good thing too!
'For an empty-headed man will be wise when a wild donkey's colt is born a man' (Job 11:12).

 

[Van]

Snippets from a prior bogus post:

Van says 'There are some who seek God.' Whom shall we believe? [ See Acts of the Apostles 13:7]

Acts of the Apostles 13:7. .... If this man was saved (and we are not told either way) then it is because God was drawing Him (John 6:44). [No one said he was saved, or that God's revelation had not influenced him, but the verse says the man was seeking God's word which is seeking God!!]


'But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he receive them, because they are spiritually discerned' (1 Cor. 2:14) [The things does not mean all the things, that is the man-made and false doctrine of Reformed Theology.]

Folks, ask yourselves how anyone familiar with the Scriptures could believe the lost are able to seek God unless He draws them. [Did anyone say the lost seek God without the revelation of God? Nope. ]

As you can see, the man-made position reads into verse after verse what is not stated in the text to create false doctrine.

Firstly Scripture does not tell us "There is not one who ever seeks after God!" Romans 3:11
Secondly, Scripture does tell us lost people seek after God. Acts 13:7
Thirdly, Scripture tells us God allows some people to find Him. 2 Chronicles 15:4
Fourthly, no one seeks after God unless they believe He exists and rewards those who seek Him. Hebrews 11:6

Folks, ask yourselves how anyone familiar with Scripture could believe the lost are unable to seek God?

 

[Van]

2 Chronicles 15:4 (NASB)
“But in their distress they turned to the LORD God of Israel, and they sought Him, and He let them find Him.

If no one ever seeks after God, then scripture would not mean what it says!

Psalms 34:4
I sought the LORD and He answered me,
And rescued me from all my fears.

Acts of the Apostles 13:7
who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God.

The claim no one ever seeks God is obviously false doctrine. Time to turn from man-centered doctrine and embrace the actual word of God. Some of the lost seek God some of the time.