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Seeking God?

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AustinC

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Van said:
Firstly Scripture does not tell us "There is not one who ever seeks after God!" Romans 3:11
Secondly, Scripture does tell us lost people seek after God. Acts 13:7
Thirdly, Scripture tells us God allows some people to find Him. 2 Chronicles 15:4
Fourthly, no one seeks after God unless they believe He exists and rewards those who seek Him. Hebrews 11:6

Folks, ask yourselves how anyone familiar with Scripture could believe the lost are unable to seek God?

Ever wonder why these verses are ignored rather than addressed?

There is no one who seeks God at all times, because we have all turned aside. Ask yourselves were those that turned aside, did they turn aside from seeking God. No one seeks God when sinning, when they have turned aside. :)
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Hebrews 11 is the faith chapter, which shows us the legacy of believers whom God justified by giving them the gift of faith. So, without the faith, gifted to us by God, it is impossible to please God. Every believer should know that human works of the flesh do not please God.

2 Chronicles 15 shows the chosen ones who are being called to repentance. It is not pagans who are walking in darkness, but stumble upon God and find Him. It is the chosen people of God who have turned away from God and are being called back to repentance.

Van, how do you not understand this truth?
 
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AustinC said:
Hebrews 11 is the faith chapter, which shows us the legacy of believers whom God justified by giving them the gift of faith. So, without the faith, gifted to us by God, it is impossible to please God. Every believer should know that human works of the flesh do not please God.

2 Chronicles 15 shows the chosen ones who are being called to repentance. It is not pagans who are walking in darkness, but stumble upon God and find Him. It is the chosen people of God who have turned away from God and are being called back to repentance.

Van, how do you not understand this truth?
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Hebrews 11 never says nor suggest the faith by which they obtained approval was given to them. Thus you claim is false.
LOL, now you admit they "turned away from God, so before they turned away they were seeking God.
Did anyone say human works "pleases God?" Nope so more fabrication, more falsehood, more of the same.
 
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Van said:
Hebrews 11 never says nor suggest the faith by which they obtained approval was given to them. Thus you claim is false.
LOL, now you admit they "turned away from God, so before they turned away they were seeking God.
Did anyone say human works "pleases God?" Nope so more fabrication, more falsehood, more of the same.
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Read the entire Bible, Van. We understand through passages like Ephesians 2 and Romans 3 that faith is a gift from God to those whom He made alive.
The simplicity of God's grace seems to elude you.
 
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Faith isn’t a “gift” that is tossed onto someone.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
 
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MrW said:
Faith isn’t a “gift” that is tossed onto someone.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
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Dead men cannot hear. God must choose to make a person alive before He imparts faith upon them.
 
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I’ve read the Bible cover to cover dozens of times, but have not read your assertion.

“If you were blind, you would have no sin”.

By the same principle, would it not be so, “If you were deaf, you would have no sin”?

The problem is not that the lost can’t hear; the problem is that the lost can hear and reject Christ.
 
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MrW said:
I’ve read the Bible cover to cover dozens of times, but have not read your assertion.

“If you were blind, you would have no sin”.

By the same principle, would it not be so, “If you were deaf, you would have no sin”?

The problem is not that the lost can’t hear; the problem is that the lost can hear and reject Christ.
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Who are you speaking to?
Who ever said "“If you were blind, you would have no sin”.
What does dead mean to you?
You seem to be talking like Miracle Max, in the Princess Bride, and declaring Paul is wrong. We weren't dead, we were just "mostly" dead.
Can dead people see? Can dead people hear?
What does the Bible tells us about how we humans died so that we cannot naturally hear God speak?

What does the Bible mean when it says "But God...even when we were dead...made us alive with Christ...by grace you were saved"? Ephesians 2:4-5
 
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MrW said:
Not dead. Dead to God. Separated from Him by sin.
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That is not what the passage says.
"Dead in trespasses and sins."
This means unable to respond. This is why the passage says, "But God", rather than saying "but man".
 
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Separated from God by our iniquities.

“The woman who lives in pleasure is dead even while she lives.”

So she is not dead. She is dead to God. Separated from God by her sins. Even as the body without the spirit is dead. When the spirit separates from the body, the body is dead. But the spirit is still alive, which is actually the person. The body is just the house.

Death is not cessation. Death is not in ability. Death is separation.
 
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AustinC

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MrW said:
Separated from God by our iniquities.

“The woman who lives in pleasure is dead even while she lives.”

So she is not dead. She is dead to God. Separated from God by her sins. Even as the body without the spirit is dead. When the spirit separates from the body, the body is dead. But the spirit is still alive, which is actually the person. The body is just the house.

Death is not cessation. Death is not in ability. Death is separation.
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If she is dead to God, how does she make herself alive to God since she is, as you state, dead to God?

The answer is right there in Ephesians 2:4-5. "But God..."
 
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AustinC said:
If she is dead to God, how does she make herself alive to God since she is, as you state, dead to God?

The answer is right there in Ephesians 2:4-5. "But God..."
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How? Same as Abraham. Abraham believed God—and it was counted to him for righteousness.

The Gospel is simple enough a child can receive it. Let’s not hide it by complicating it. Acts 2:21 is still correct, as is Acts 16:31, John 3:16, and John 1:12-13.
 
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