Setting The Pretexts For U.S. Iran Invasion.

Well then how about the new Christian way of gaining information? Thumb screws? Water boarding bamboo under the fignernails maybe? How about a ticket on one of those CIA rendition flights to Romania where the "authorites" can get around our laws?

You mean like conservatives loving big government, big spending, the disolution of our republican form of government in favor of the North American Union. Loving all the tracking and tracing and the illegal spying on us? Yeah, you people are the ones that changed I haven't.

 

Why, just because I question their propaganda too? Show me where the bible commands me to go along with everything Israel does or says without question.

 

You said that you doubted that I would believe the story, I do believe it I've read it before, I was responding to that. Actually if I were to have made a bet on you coming up with that one CNN article I would have won. You showed what the Iranian president said or was supposed to have said okay good job. CNN's Christine Amanpour and her translators have been known to misquote or mistranslate what people have said in the past and that's just one case that we have heard of, well I've heard of it I imagine most folks that tune in to the box once daily haven't though, google it. Shouldn't this also be a consideration when reading the news? Were these statements made in response to a threat of force against his country and were they translated correctly or for the most propagandic effect?

Remember what the mastermind of public relations said many decades ago...Edward Bernays (I'll leave this for you to google too as I have posted many times about Edward Bernays. Remember what the Pentagon said about P2OG, and about controlling the infowar and internet, google that too.

I can understand how one can get all caught up in the thinking that only liberals spin things for their agenda, what I don't understand is how people overlook how the globalists who own both the liberal media and the conservative or neocon media (there isn't a conservative media as far as I can see if there ever was one it was co opted right along with the conservative movement) spin and lie to forward their agenda. What is their agenda? Google Agenda 21, check out Sustainable Development, the SPP (spp.gov) other wise known as the North American Union that is turning America Canada and Mexico into another EU with open borders and biometric ID cards for now, implantable microchips later. Check out how much of our infrastructure has already been sold leased or handed over to foreign countries and or contractors, we're losing our country and it' not even a secret it's all out in the open where anyone can look at the documents read the reports, check on the progress, the theft of property by "developers" in league with our own courts and government. Most people won't though or if they do they spin it in such a way as all the euphemisms and non sequitors in the reports makes sense to them or they blame liberals for everything. Even liberals will deny that most of their funding comes from the same globalist foundations that fund the "other side". Big oil and the Rockefellers fund the radical evironment groups! Why? Controlled opposition resrict the supply, keep prices up. Just like the democrats and republicans are funded by the same people. To get you to think there are indeed two opposing sides, either way you go they win and get their world government out of it.

Who owns CNN anyway? Can you tell me that, would you tell me, do you even care? What's the owners connection to the military industrial complex that profits from all this fear of terrorism and "war on terrorism" renamed the "global war on terrorism" renamed the "global struggle against extremism" renamed the "long war" that CNN and Fox and all the other mainstream "news agencies" are all to happy to pump out and fill our every waking moment with fear of being attacked fear of Muslims, fear of "domestic terrorists"?

The security state loves terrorism and the fear mongering that the mainstream media and government does 24/7, they're making millions if not billions off it, the military industrial complex has never had it so good as far as money and power goes they got a blank check, the growing police state loves it as they're able to grow and expand at an unbelievable rate, the prison industrial complex loves it too because more of the so called "terrorist" laws like warrantless searches and seizures are being used on every type of crime from searching strip clubs to busting 14 year olds with a joint in their pocket and getting them into the system. Terrorism and the threat of terrorism is probably one of the most profitable businesses adventures today...who benefits? And I haven't even mentioned the growing mercenary inustrial complex (google blackwater usa)

I'm not sticking up for the Iranians as far as them wanting a nuclear weapon I don't doubt but that they do want one and they probably do have a program to get one. However, how does that give us the "right" who have thousands of nukes and probably tons of biological and chemical weapons (that were tested on our own troops and civilian population in the past without their consent btw by our own loving government) and the Israeli's who certianly have nukes and probably chemical and biological weapons (their loving government radiated 100,000+ Israelis, mostly children with machines and funds supplied by us (the good guys) to see what it would do to them. They radiated children Martin little four and five year olds and such first they lied to them and said they were getting their teeth checked, then they experimented on them, google it) it wasn't Joseph Mengele doing it to the jews in this case it was jews experimenting on other jews...they even got excited about a "gene weapon" that would only work on certian genetic types (google it) that's all sick, that's all evil, it's all wrong. Unless I'm misunderstanding what Jesus said of course. I dunno maybe we should have a learned man of God explain why these are really good things. There must be one or two around here willing to spin the government's evil into good or just deny it like it never happened/happens.


Let me ask you something else Martin if you had someone threaten to use force against you and your family time after time should you be expected to just stand there and take it without saying a word or taking action to prepare yourself should that force come? I mean, wouldn't you think you had a right to defend yourself? Does Israel have a right to defend itself? Certianly it does. But what they are doing now goes beyond defense and looks to me like a form of terrorism sactioned by the new international community/NWO and funded and supplied by us. Why is it only the countries (that belong to the new international community/NWO) have the right to speak out against countries and regimes that aren't members in good standing of the elitist global banking and business community? And those countries that wish to remain sovereign are threatened sanctioned and hammered with bombs? Do the countries that don't belong the new international community/NWO have a right to defend themselves against threats and military action? Are they supposed to just give up their countries to the NWO's public private parnterships (other wise known as fascism) like is being systematically done here in America and around the world. Google it Martin, public private partnerships.


El_Guero, I want a clear answer from you now. How is it that you feel justified asking me if I belong to any fascist groups when you yourself seem so eager to defend and deny the fascism in our own government and that of Israel? Fascism doesn't always dress up like a nazi or Mussolini ya know. Mussolini called it corporatism. Business and government combined, put a three piece suit on it stick it front of a camera and label it patriotism, whatever it's still fascism. And I still disagree with it in the strongest terms possible. Only I refuse to play favorites or call it something besides the creature is always was and continues to be.

And Martin I'm still waiting for the answer to my other questions.

 

I've been looking into a little history lately LE, maybe you can help me out with this. Have you heard of Deir Yassin?

"Deir Yassin Massacre was not the only factor in the flight of the Palestinians during 1948.."

On April 9, 1948, 57 years ago, the combined Jewish terrorist groups of the Irgun, led by Menachem Begin, who would become Israeli Prime Minister in 1977, and the Stern Gang, also known as LEHI, led by Israel Shamir, who would succeed Begin as Israeli Prime Minister in the early eighties, entered the peaceful Arab village of Deir Yassin on the western edge of Jerusalem and massacred as many a 250 men women and children. (Some researchers have put the number of killed at about half that though they do not deny the savageness of the violence.)

With the outbreak of hostilities earlier that year, the Arab residents of Deir Yassin had signed an agreement with the adjacent neighboring largely Jewish village of Giv'at Shaul promising to be good neighbors and to share information regarding the movement of strangers in village territory and to safeguard vehicles traveling between villages.

The attackers, operating as an uncontrolled rabble rather than a military unit, fired indiscriminately, blew up houses with their inhabitants inside, executed men women and children by firing at close range, and dumped many of the bodies into wells and into the nearby quarry. There were also reports of rapes and mutilations. The villagers succeeded in wounding 40 and may have defeated the invaders had the invaders not been saved by the Palmach, the elite Jewish force. The Jewish terrorists then loaded some of the captured villagers into trucks to be paraded through the streets of Jerusalem in a victory parade before returning and executing them. The terrorists invited journalists in to the village to display the heaped corpses and general chaos.

Menachem Begin said at the time,

"We created terror among the Arabs and all the villages around. In one blow, we changed the strategic situation."

Much later he later boasted that the panic that descended on the Arabs, as a result of Deir Yassin, caused them to flee from the cities of Tiberias and Haifa.

According to Meir Pa'il, a Palmach intelligence officer who claims to have spent part of the afternoon of April 9 in the village:

"In the quarry near Givat Shaul I saw the five Arabs they had paraded in the streets of the city. They had been murdered and were lying one on top of the other ... I saw with my own eyes several families [that had been] murdered with their women, children and old people, their corpses were lying on top of each other ... The dissidents [Irgun and Stern Gang] were going about the village robbing and stealing everything: chickens, radio sets, sugar, money, gold and more ... Each dissident walked about the village dirty with blood and proud of the number of persons he had killed". (Morris, Revisited)

There were other massacres during the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians of 1948, perhaps two to three thousand Palestinians were massacred, according to historian Ilan Pappe, however the Deir Yassin massacre had implications well beyond the immediate slaughter. It was reported over and over on Arab radio and became staple propaganda that was proclaimed from mobile loud speakers broadcast into the Arab areas of the major cities by Irgun and the Haganah (the precursors of the Israeli Defense Forces).

Deir Yassin was not the only factor in the flight of the Palestinians during 1948, but it was a significant component of the Zionist psychological warfare campaign.

At least 750,000 Palestinians fled or were forced from their cities, villages, and homes in order to clear the land for a Jewish state. Those refugees and their descendants now number about 5 million, the largest and longest standing refugee population in the world

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For the record I am against the use of terrorism in all forms. I cannot bring myself to play word games and newspeak with it and call it anything but what it is, I feel the same about fascism, and communisim. I deplore it on the grounds that it is evil no matter who the perpetrators are. If Iran uses terrorism, then it is evil, if the U.S. or Israel uses it then it is evil. I will not make different rules or be politically correct for different groups. A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist in my book.