Seven Year Tribulation Question

[RLBosley]

I believe the actual war the Jews made with the Romans was right at 3 1/2 years in length, from 66 to 70 AD.

Actual the First Jewish War is usually considered, from what I've read, to last until the fall of Masada in 73AD.

So if that is the Great Trib that Jesus Talked about Dispensationalism AND Preterism are right.... a 7 year great trib centered on 70 AD

 

[MB]

You do realize that Bible believers can differ about these issues? I disagree with Kyredneck about his view, but I don't doubt for a moment that he loves Jesus and takes the Bible seriously.

I have a missionary friend who is fond of saying "It's a mighty thin piece of paper that has only 1 side."

There is only one truth and it being on the only side
It's like truth is written on a mobius ban of paper and it has only one side.
Truth that isn't the whole truth isn't truth at all.

MB

 

[kyredneck]

Actual the First Jewish War is usually considered, from what I've read, to last until the fall of Masada in 73AD.

So if that is the Great Trib that Jesus Talked about Dispensationalism AND Preterism are right.... a 7 year great trib centered on 70 AD

FWIW:

"...The war lasted exactly 42 months: from spring, A.D. 67 through August, A.D. 70."

 

[MB]

21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. Mt 24

I believe the actual war the Jews made with the Romans was right at 3 1/2 years in length, from 66 to 70 AD.

I disagree with you all the things Christ spoke of in Mat 24 have not come true and that generation that Christ was speaking of wasn't the generation He was in.
Tribulation as described by John has not happened. There has never been a number issued to every living human being that is needed to conduct bussiness.
Satan has not been placed in Hell and neither has there ever been a one world government. For the tribulation to be over then so is the thousand year reign. Where is the city of God? that comes down from heaven.
MB

 

[RLBosley]

FWIW:

"...The war lasted exactly 42 months: from spring, A.D. 67 through August, A.D. 70."

Well yeah if you count only to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple then yes it was about 3 1/2 years (But there is no way to know for certain that is was exactly 42 months)... but the war lasted another 3 years...

No offense meant but I think it's possible that, as a preterist website, they could be 'selective' in their facts.

 

[kyredneck]

I disagree with you all the things Christ spoke of in Mat 24 have not come true and that generation that Christ was speaking of wasn't the generation He was in.

Wrong. http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1951463#post1951463

You totally destroy the underlying continuity of the scriptures concerning 'that generation' for the sole purpose of forcing your preunderstood/presupposed view.

Tribulation as described by John has not happened. There has never been a number issued to every living human being that is needed to conduct bussiness.
Satan has not been placed in Hell and neither has there ever been a one world government. For the tribulation to be over then so is the thousand year reign. Where is the city of God? that comes down from heaven.
MB

Here we go again with this 'cherry pickin' literalizing. Is there a 'Dispy Bulletin' out that defines the criteria for when to literalize in Revelation? I'd like to have one if there is.

 

[Revmitchell]

I disagree with you all the things Christ spoke of in Mat 24 have not come true and that generation that Christ was speaking of wasn't the generation He was in.
Tribulation as described by John has not happened. There has never been a number issued to every living human being that is needed to conduct bussiness.
Satan has not been placed in Hell and neither has there ever been a one world government. For the tribulation to be over then so is the thousand year reign. Where is the city of God? that comes down from heaven.
MB

More than that the notion that there is not a literal and physical return of Christ is complete and utter heresy.

 

[RLBosley]

More than that the notion that there is not a literal and physical return of Christ is complete and utter heresy.

I thought KY was a partial-preterist... That still holds to a literal future second coming IIRC.

 

[kyredneck]

When it comes to Revelation I'm preteristhistoricistidealistfurturist...

 

[RLBosley]

When it comes to Revelation I'm preteristhistoricistidealistfurturist...

A prehistideaturist?

I like it :thumbs:

That being said.. i also disagree when it comes to the preterist interpretation of the Olivet Discourse. I can't see that as all being 70AD.

 

[kyredneck]

More than that the notion that there is not a literal and physical return of Christ is complete and utter heresy.

"Complete and utter heresy", whew, you like to use those heavy artillery words.

Can you pinpoint the passage in Revelation that depicts the 'literal and physical return of Christ'?

 

[HisWitness]

Thanks for that excellent article, 'Exegetical gerrymandering and the time texts of Scripture'.

'Gerrymandering', never heard it called that before, but that's exactly what it is.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;,,,,,,, Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand. Rev 1: 1, 3

I come quickly: hold fast that which thou hast, that no one take thy crown. Rev 3:11

And behold, I come quickly. Blessed is he that keepeth the words of the prophecy of this book.,,,,,,,,,, And he saith unto me, Seal not up the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is at hand.,,,,,,,, Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to each man according as his work is.,,,,,,,,,,,,,, He who testifieth these things saith, Yea: I come quickly. Amen: come, Lord Jesus. Rev 22:7,10,12,20

Great article and post :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[HisWitness]

21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. Mt 24

I believe the actual war the Jews made with the Romans was right at 3 1/2 years in length, from 66 to 70 AD.

yes it was :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[HisWitness]

Speaking of Time Revelant scriptures,I believe this one speaks louder than words,and if you deny this plain simple text of time relevance,then its clear that you have a great misunderstanding of the scriptures in that sense.

Matthew 26-64::Jesus said unto him(High Priest in verse 63),Thou hast said:nevertheless I say unto you(High Priest again),Hereafter shall YE see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power,and COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.

Soon,Shortly,time is at hand,the end of all things,end of the world,that generation not passing till ALL things were fullfilled in Mat 24.

These are all speaking of coming before that generation passed,a generation was i believe a 40 year period,from ad 30-70 fit perfectly in the time revelant scriptures of those things happening before that generation passed.

 

[MB]

Wrong. http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1951463#post1951463

You totally destroy the underlying continuity of the scriptures concerning 'that generation' for the sole purpose of forcing your preunderstood/presupposed view.



Here we go again with this 'cherry pickin' literalizing. Is there a 'Dispy Bulletin' out that defines the criteria for when to literalize in Revelation? I'd like to have one if there is.

Why read it at all if you can't understand it.
MB

 

[webdog]

"Complete and utter heresy", whew, you like to use those heavy artillery words.

Can you pinpoint the passage in Revelation that depicts the 'literal and physical return of Christ'?

This must be why you are so confused. Try Acts 1:11... or was the angel also just using figurative language?

 

[MB]

"Complete and utter heresy", whew, you like to use those heavy artillery words.

Can you pinpoint the passage in Revelation that depicts the 'literal and physical return of Christ'?

Do you need some one to show you?
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with the clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they that pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth shall mourn over him. Even so, Amen.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

This is a serious question, not a debate starter. I read a view from one person I had never heard before and was wondering if any of you all heard it. It really does not have to do with the timing of the Rapture, (maybe indirectly), but has anyone ever heard of a case made that the seven seals, seven trumpets, and seven bowls in Revelation could not possibley happen within a seven year period, placing the tribulation at another time?

My pastor currently holds to the 7th seal being the 7 trumpets going and the 7th trumpet being the actual 7 bowls going so its like concurrent happenings!

 

[Logos1]

Acts 1:11 kept simple

Act 1:11

This passage is often clung to in desperation by futurists to claim Christ will return in a physical body.

It would require pointing out the obvious to mention that this verse says nothing about Christ returning in a literal or physical body.

All you have to work with is the term “come in” so the relevant question is what is Christ coming into.

If we look at the entire series of relevant verses 9 -11

And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” ESV

This scripture has nothing to do with Christ’s return. It is addressing his accession from earth and where he is ascending to—which the angels provide the answer of heaven since the apostles can’t see Christ after He is removed from their view.

Maybe it would clear up confusion here to remember the three heavens used in the bible.

1.The sky that we see as in the clouds and the atmosphere near earth.
2. The stars and outer realms of the universe.
3. Heaven as in the spiritual realm where the presence of God dwells.

Now read this by inserting the appropriate level of heaven in the passage.

And while they were gazing into heaven (1st heaven the clouds) as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? (1st heaven the clouds) This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven (1st heaven the clouds), will come in (come into the third heaven—the presence of God) the same way as you saw him go into heaven (1st heaven the clouds).”

Read this way you see the logical progression of events that is consistent with the overall passage and don’t introduce a new element (i.e. His coming back at the end of the age) that is not referenced anywhere in the entire passage of relevant verses.

This is really a simple passage often twisted into something that is not being discussed or described in the verses.

 

[OldRegular]

Dispensationalist John F. Walvoord writes in Major Bible Prophecies that the time lapse between “the Rapture” and the “Second Coming” will be more than seven years [page 293].