Sabbath given to isreal under the law, per Old Covenant...
Sunday NOT a Sabbath to Church, but recognised as day jesus rose from the dead!
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Sabbath given to isreal under the law, per Old Covenant...
Sunday NOT a Sabbath to Church, but recognised as day jesus rose from the dead!
GE:
How do you attend a Sunday-church if you do not believe in Sunday-worship?! One's ACTS are confessions and witnesses – and manifestations – of one's beliefs or truer, of one's FAITH. By going to church on Sundays PROVES one believes Sunday to be God's Day-of-Worship.
Which is NOT "according to the Scriptures" Period!
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GE:
Yes, "Sabbath given to isreal under the law, per Old Covenant..." I am not speaking about that. I am speaking about the Sabbath, "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD God" given to Christians under GRACE in the NEW Covenant by Jesus Christ, in Jesus Christ, through Jesus Christ, and _FOR_ Jesus Christ--- "RECOGNISED" in the Scriptures, through the Scriptures, "ACCORDING to the Scriptures", even, _BY_ the Scriptures ... the Bible FULL ... FOR HAVING BEEN DAY OF JESUS' RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD.
... but Sundayists just over and over and over again and again and again claim falsely without a shred of evidence EXCEPT FRAUDULENTLY FABRICATED 'evidence' their old bankrupt and shameful allegations ...
GE:
So, can you present those Scriptures, had I a teachable spirit?
Perhaps if you presented those Scriptures, my soft-hearted strategist.
GE:
'STEADFAST' for you, is ... as follows ...
One, "The fact is, God accepts worship any day of the week... even if that day is a Sunday. He did in the 1st Century AD."
Two, "The early Church (1st Century) worshiped upon the first day of the week. That is Sunday, not Saturday." ...
... "_NOT_ Saturday" steadfast, is "any day"; and, "any day" steadfast, is "_NOT_ Saturday".
That is steadfast for you, 'Steadfast Fred'.
GE:
As far as I am concerned the SDA is a DEAD horse. They believe JUST LIKE YOU DO about "Col 2".
About "Col 2" --- SURE it does "defuse worship of a specific day".
It does not deal upon "worship of" ANY "day". So "Col 2" is USELESS for your argumentation against "... the Body of Christ's ... eating and drinking of FEAST whether of month's or of SABBATHS' ... Christ being the SUBSTANCE ... NOURISHMENT being ministered holding to the HEAD, growing with the growth of God ... NOT BEING BEGUILED through hypocritical humility of your reward ..." CHRIST.
What do you find of benefit to your Sunday-worship stories in "Col 2"? Amazing!
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post duplicated; apologies
GE:
No wonder they couldn't; they ignored and forgot the God who applies his Law to whomsoever He willed to. In any case, that was what God every time blamed them for having done.
the torah was NOT given to save anyone though...
Today we serve the risen lord by the empowering Spirit in us!
GE:
You are wise enough to see that "Sunday NOT a Sabbath to Church".
But this, "Sunday ... recognised as day jesus rose from the dead!" is what _you_ say because that is what _you_ love to believe while you in equal measure hate the idea or fact Jesus rose from the dead, QUOTE, "IN THE SABBATH".
To me your whole comment is as good or as bad as that you made NO comment at all; it is worthless! All it does, is mirror your indoctrination by biased clergy— “Sunday ... _recognised as_ ...”.
BY WHAT is "Sunday ... recognised as day jesus rose from the dead"?!
The Sabbath is recognised THROUGHOUT _ALL_ SCRIPTURE as to be and as to have been the day that He rose from the dead on. The Sabbath is thus recognised by Jesus’ own fulfilment – not of just one commandment the fourth of the Law –, but of “ALL the Scriptures”.
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Please consider the scripture that tells us that the day of preparation is the day before the Sabbath, see Mark 15:42-43.
42 It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body.
As for Jesus rising on the Sabbath, please consider the following scriptures from Luke 24:
1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead?
We see from verse 1 that the day is the first day of the week, which is Sunday, do you agree? Now read farther to verse 19-21:
“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.
Did you see that in verse 21 what they said about that day being the “third day” since all took place? That third day is Sunday, the first day of the week. Therefore, do you think that shows us that Jesus did not rise on the Sabbath, but on Sunday?Did not Jesus say he would raise in three days?
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Couple of points!
the sabbath was given to ONLY Isreal, as under their Old Covenant relationship with God...
the early church observed Sunday as meeting day, to honor Jesus raising from the dead
Jesus work has given us the true meaning of the sabbath, a spirotual resting from trying working to get saved, as per hebrews!
Thinkingstuff
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I haven't been reading this thread. Though the Seventh Day Adventist came from the Millerite movement in the 1800 just like the Jehovah's Witnesses and I disagree with their theology and their eschatology. However, I have a "grandmother" (friend of the family) who was the most Christ like person I have ever met. She's with the Lord now (I personally believe). That more people were like her!
As far as the Sabbath I hold this view which the Catachism espouses.
As far as the Sabbath I hold this view which the Catachism espouses.
Interesting truth is that the Apsotles in some way, referred to 9 of the 10 Commandments as being applicable to Christians in the sense of still being the Moral law of God, but NOT the Sabbath itself!
Thinkingstuff
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Actually, the bible states that under Grace, one cans till observe sat, another Sun, another each day of the week!
Its just thatwe cannot impose our views as Gospel for every one else!
GE:
She Sabbath was given to ONLY Isreal, correct, and mark very well! For the Sabbath has never been given to idolatrous Sunday or to Sunday worshippers meaning those who worship _on_ Sundays and those who worship Sunday as “your former weak and beggarly first-principle-no-gods of days, months, seasons, years being observed superstitiously.”
So, the Sabbath of the Bible was never given under the heathens’ and pagans’ ‘old covenant’ of righteousness by works and salvation through own merit. NEVER! Never as this very day is believed and practiced by the gross of Christianity.
The perfect, full proof, PROOF of _this_, is this— quoting you,
“the early church observed Sunday as meeting day, to honor Jesus raising from the dead” – the biggest lie in all the history of mankind, no matter in religion, politics, science, philosophy … there is nothing that beats it in arrogant daring LYING!
So far does this LYING go, that, while professing the Holy Scriptures for the Word of God, these very Sunday apostles and -worshippers have no fear or shame to CORRUPT the Scriptures so as to support their blasphemous Sunday-idolatry, and indoctrinate the saints of Christ to unquestioning accept _their_ false teachings for the Gospel.
An example and proof of this, again, is this, quoting Moriah above,
“Please consider the scripture that tells us that the day of preparation is the day before the Sabbath, see Mark 15:42-43.
42 It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body.
As for Jesus rising on the Sabbath, please consider the following scriptures from Luke 24:
1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. 5 In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, “Why do you look for the living among the dead?
We see from verse 1 that the day is the first day of the week, which is Sunday, do you agree? Now read farther to verse 19-21:
“About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. 20 The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; 21 but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.
Did you see that in verse 21 what they said about that day being the “third day” since all took place? That third day is Sunday, the first day of the week. Therefore, do you think that shows us that Jesus did not rise on the Sabbath, but on Sunday?Did not Jesus say he would raise in three days?”
I shall now answer Moriah’s misconceptions, one by one …
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GE:
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Please consider the scripture that tells us that the day of preparation is the day before the Sabbath, see Mark 15:42-43.[/B]
42 It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body.
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“…as evening approached …”
Yes, that is how the NIV does its corrupting … they thought the worm to infest from the intestines so that it might be noticed only when too late …
These were no ignorant or men with no understanding who were responsible for this masterpiece in deception. They very well knew that they could not change the Noun, “evening” into “late noon” like the NAB did; that would be too obvious and too simple to trust.
So boys, let us change the Tense of the Aorist Participle! What do the readers know about Greek grammar? They will never be able to perceive our subterfuge.
Let’s CHANGE the fact “it having had become evening already” --- after sunset the first part of NIGHT the first part of the day AFTER the Crucifixion --- let’s change that, into an Indicative Imperfect Verb, “…as evening approached …” and voila, it is the same as having said ‘it was late noon’! Aye man, take five!
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