Shake And Bake

[guitarpreacher]

Originally posted by C4K:

cute.

Everyone knows that TRUE Americans never ask any questions, they just do as they are told and support all their country does, no matter what.

I haven't heard any questions. All I hear is false accusations.

 

[Bunyon]

C4K, I think you have taken a responisble and reasonable approach to examining the facts. But others refuse to move at all from the "America used chemical weapons approach". That is what I am refering to.

 

[carpro]

Originally posted by Matt Black:
ie: if Saddam had had WP and that would have justified the US/UK invasion on the basis (debateable) that WP is a WMD, then the US shouldn't use it either.

You have simply got to be kidding!

Saddam didn't have M1Abrams tanks or F16's either, so I guess we don't use them either?

Ridiculous.

Whether or not WP is a WMD is simply NOT debateable to any sane person.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by Bunyon:
C4K, I think you have taken a responisble and reasonable approach to examining the facts. But others refuse to move at all from the "America used chemical weapons approach". That is what I am refering to.

Thanks Bunyon,

There is room for reasoned questioning and debate on these issues. I am sorry I misunderstood your post.

 

[HankD]

Rules either apply to everyone or to no one. The alleged 'rightness' of your cause is no excuse.

How soon we forget.

America was the first to use nuclear weapons in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. We incinerated over a quarter of a million people instantly (perhaps millions died later). Men (most were at war) women, children and infants.

When they came to out doors (Pearl Harbor) all the rules went out the window.
We did what we had to to survive.
As a boy I remember juibilation over the dropping of the A-bombs. War is hell.

No excuses, just telling it like it was.

I believe it is going to happen again.

If not, you'd better buy your prayer rug now.

HankD

 

[carpro]

No excuses necessary.

As horrible as nuclear weapons are, more people died in the battle for Okinawa than died in Nagasaki and Hiroshima combined.

There is a strong possibility the deaths would have been in the millions had we invaded the Japanese homeland.

 

[HankD]

There is a strong possibility the deaths would have been in the millions had we invaded the Japanese homeland.

Actually no one knows (or wants to know) concerning the A-Bomb deaths. The Japanese people kept dying from radiation poisoning and cancer for years after the bombings.

HankD

 

[guitarpreacher]

Originally posted by HankD:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />There is a strong possibility the deaths would have been in the millions had we invaded the Japanese homeland.

Actually no one knows (or wants to know) concerning the A-Bomb deaths. The Japanese people kept dying from radiation poisoning and cancer for years after the bombings.

HankD </font>[/QUOTE]That's a shame, considering how easy it would have been for them to prevent the whole thing.

 

[HankD]

That's a shame, considering how easy it would have been for them to prevent the whole thing.

It seems that way from hindsight.

My point is that when war gets down and dirty there are no rules. It's kill or be killed. The Law of the jungle, no is spared.

It's just the way it is.

HankD

 

[Bunyon]

WP is not a weapon of mass destruction nor is it a chemical weapon. With that said, I just wanted to make a few comments on the genevia convention. I think it is of some use, but it does not adress WP. It dose address a whole host of other things such as other weapons and how they are used. One thing the Geneva convention says is that you can't use a 50cal machine gun to shoot at personel. It is allowed to be used on equipment like jeeps and apc's. We used to say we would use the 50cal to shoot the canteens of the hips of the enemy. Do you think any soldier who is manning a 50 cal on top of a truck or humvee will not use it if he is under attack. Think about it, here is a pfc from Hoboken NJ and he sees 200 arab jihadist comming at his 3 vehicle convoy. Their screaming bloody murder and they are firing automatic weapons, and are getting ready to launch the RPG and throw the Malitov Cocktail (It will burn you like Napalm or WP). Do you think the PFC is going to let go of the 50cal and reach for his 45 or m16 because he is not supposed to shoot at personel with the 50cal. Or do you think he is going to lock and load that 50cal machine gun and mow every last screaming banshee of a jihadist down?

 

[poncho]

The Geneva convention? How quaint.

 

[hillclimber]

Originally posted by C4K:
Since this tactic is acceptable for us to use, would accept it as an acceptable weapon to be used by the bad guys?

If we had found stockpiles of white phosphorus in Iraq, would that have been considered a chemical weapon?

Weapons of this ilk have been used by us and our enemies for a long time. They may be chemical in design but long accepted as genuine weapons. Very effective in the right circumstances too.
Am I missing something here?

 

[Matt Black]

Originally posted by poncho:
The Geneva convention? How quaint.

Oh do say that to the next British or American soldier taken prisoner; I'm sure they'll find it of great comfort.

WP is outlawed, not against military targets but against civilians. That is the issue here: whether or not there were civilians in Fallujah at the time.

 

[Bunyon]

I think it has been established the the civilians had ample warning and time to leave. As far as the geneva convention, I agree we don't want to abuse it, but the fact is no modern opponent of the western powers has ever exercised any restraint in violating it.

 

[HankD]

I agree we don't want to abuse it, but the fact is no modern opponent of the western powers has ever exercised any restraint in violating it.

It's easy to make "war rules" sitting back in a cushioned chair sipping tea or coffee.

HankD

 

[JamieinNH]

Originally posted by Bunyon:
WP is not a weapon of mass destruction nor is it a chemical weapon. With that said, I just wanted to make a few comments on the genevia convention. I think it is of some use, but it does not adress WP. It dose address a whole host of other things such as other weapons and how they are used. One thing the Geneva convention says is that you can't use a 50cal machine gun to shoot at personel. It is allowed to be used on equipment like jeeps and apc's. We used to say we would use the 50cal to shoot the canteens of the hips of the enemy. Do you think any soldier who is manning a 50 cal on top of a truck or humvee will not use it if he is under attack. Think about it, here is a pfc from Hoboken NJ and he sees 200 arab jihadist comming at his 3 vehicle convoy. Their screaming bloody murder and they are firing automatic weapons, and are getting ready to launch the RPG and throw the Malitov Cocktail (It will burn you like Napalm or WP). Do you think the PFC is going to let go of the 50cal and reach for his 45 or m16 because he is not supposed to shoot at personel with the 50cal. Or do you think he is going to lock and load that 50cal machine gun and mow every last screaming banshee of a jihadist down?

The genevia convention does not limit the use of the 50 caliber, so your theroy or story isn't even debatable.


Jamie

 

[LadyEagle]

Paul Johnson, Nick Berg, Eugene Armstrong, and Jack Hensley, as well as others, (all had their heads sawed off while they were alive & were video taped as their blood and lives pumped out) probably wished the terrorists would follow the Geneva Convention since it is so important. Not to mention Daniel Pearl.

The Geneva Convention is moot. If all the bleeding hearts stop bleating about the rights of terrorists, we would all be better off, and might have a small chance to eradicate them.

 

[Bunyon]

I can't think of modern advisary who actually paid any attention to the geneva convention, except us. But the geneva convention does not apply to non-combatents who are not even in uniform or part of an Army.

 

[Bunyon]

"The genevia convention does not limit the use of the 50 caliber, so your theroy or story isn't even debatable'----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So we have discovered, and yet neither is White Phosporus, but we debated that ad nausium!

 

[Daisy]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Paul Johnson, Nick Berg, Eugene Armstrong, and Jack Hensley, as well as others, (all had their heads sawed off while they were alive & were video taped as their blood and lives pumped out) probably wished the terrorists would follow the Geneva Convention since it is so important. Not to mention Daniel Pearl.

The Geneva Convention is moot. If all the bleeding hearts stop bleating about the rights of terrorists, we would all be better off, and might have a small chance to eradicate them.

Problem is, how to tell the actual terrorists from all the little fish caught in the dragnet.

If a nation as mighty as the US can't manage to play by the rules, how can we expect anyone else to? If you say, "But the terrorists do it", do you mean that we should be terrorists, too?