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TCassidy

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By 1984 the situation had changed dramatically, as told by Israeli criminologist Abraham Tennenbaum when commenting upon the July 1984 massacre at McDonald's in San Ysidro, Calif. He described an incident in Israel, some weeks before the San Ysidro massacre:

"Three terrorists who attempted to machine-gun the throng managed to kill only one victim before being shot down by handgun-carrying Israelis. Presented to the press the next day, the surviving terrorists complained that his group had not realized that Israeli civilians were armed. The terrorists had planned to machine-gun a succession of crowd spots, thinking that they would be able to escape before the police or army could arrive to deal with them."

Similarly, a 1997 school shooting spree in Pearl, Miss., was stopped by an assistant principal, who retrieved a handgun from his car. Still, anecdotal evidence cannot resolve the question of whether allowing law-abiding and trained citizens to carry concealed handguns will save or cost lives.

Recent national polls have provided the shocking realization that armed citizens do deter violent crimes upon themselves and their family members, with guns used defensively -- although rarely even fired -- somewhere between 760,000 and 3.5 million times per year, far more than criminal use of firearms.

Full article http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/10731/legalizing-concealed-weapons-could-help-prevent-violence/
 

annsni

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Unfortunately, this wasn't the first time in world history that a group of kindergarten kids were massacred.

— March 13, 1996: Thomas Hamilton, 43, kills 16 kindergarten children and their teacher in elementary school in Dunblane, Scotland [notice, this was not in America, but rather a gun free country], and then kills himself.

It doesn't make it right, but it seems to be something that evil people have no problem doing! Look at the middle East, every day, terrorist bomb schools and mosques, and market places, killing innocent young lives.

It breaks my heart, like it breaks yours. I wish there was an answer, but, there doesn't seem to be one available short of cleansing the world of evil, which we have to leave up to God.

In reading about this, it seems that it was NOT a gun free country at the time and the guns he used were legally held.
 

righteousdude2

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Thanks Ann

In reading about this, it seems that it was NOT a gun free country at the time and the guns he used were legally held.

That is good to know. In other words, the situation is no different than Sandy Hook. Legal guns in the hands of crazy, evil driven people. :tonofbricks:
 

annsni

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That is good to know. In other words, the situation is no different than Sandy Hook. Legal guns in the hands of crazy, evil driven people. :tonofbricks:

Yep. And it's interesting to see some of the other links you've posted. Links that show that in the US, where there are armed citizens, there is less crime. I agree with that. This kid would not have gone into this school to shoot the innocents if he knew that there were armed people in the building.
 

InTheLight

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Now that the facts are out we know this:

1. The murderer used a semi-automatic rifle to kill his victims.

2. The murderer used at least three cartridges, which hold 30 rounds each, so at least 90 bullets were fired.

Those arguing that an axe, a baseball bat, a hammer, or molotov cocktails could kill as quickly or as efficiently as 90 bullets are fooling themselves. Guns make killing efficient, that's why they were invented.

So in the interest of finding some kind of a solution to this problem how about a legal limit on the number of rounds a cartridge can carry?

I'm pro 2nd amendment but let's be practical. In what non-military, non-law enforcement setting does one need a gun that fires 30 rounds in rapid succession? For home protection wouldn't a sawed-off shotgun be most effective?
 
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