You are right about that Jujutsu, as have heard that it can be a very dangerous martial art for inflicting large damages on someone else. What about that art that Steven Segal is supposed to be into? Think real truth would be like the scene where that big guy was coming at Harrison Ford with a big sword, and instead of his cord , used his gun for the instant kill
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Should a Christians be Involved in Martial Arts then
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Segal is expert in Aikido, but that is at the very bottom of the list of supposed deadly martial arts. He adds stuff to it and soups it up with movie techniques to make it look deadly, but it's not.
There's a famous anecdote in which Segal challenged Gene Lebell, old school judo expert, and MMA fighter before it was MMA. LeBell choked him out easily. Lebell was an all around tough guy--could have taken out most modern MMA dudes easily. Segal is a paper tiger, a movie actor who thinks he's tough, IMO.
Here's Chuck Norris (a full contact world champion) calling Seagal a "wannabe":
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Segal would be literally killed by Chuck Norris or Bruce Lee if was a real fight and in their primes
justapewfiller
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Aikido? I have heard that it is not the best in a real fight. But, I've never crossed paths with anyone that practiced it so I can just go by what I've heard.
On Judo Gene - yes, once upon a time I was acquainted with a few pro-wrestlers. Gene also dabbled in that and it was well known his skills were very real (unlike the skills of many in that business).
Curious to actually how dangerous in a real fight would either someone skilled as a samurai or a ninja would be?
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justapewfiller
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Fortunately, swords are rather rare in fights these days. But, I suppose having one would give you an edge..
Seriously though, I don't know enough about the unarmed aspects of either to answer I'm afraid.
Samurai sword versus no sword and no gun? Dead opponent. Samurai with no sword? He would use traditional jujutsu, which could be deadly depending on the particular style of jujutsu. So it depends on how trained the opponent was in his fighting method.
Ninja with weapons? Dead opponent, possibly even if the opponent has a gun. The ninja would have shuriken ("throwing stars", possibly poisoned), a straight sword, throwing darts (possibly poisoned), kusarigama (hard to describe, but a short scythe on a chain), etc. Contrary to Hollywood, he would not have nunchaku (two sticks with a cord or chain between them) or the sai (a type of truncheon), both of which were Okinawa weapons, and there were no ninjas there. (I've been to a man's house who had a collection of genuine ancient ninja weapons.)
Are there any active in both arts still today then? real life Versions of Samurai and Ninjas?
Always was curious in just how real martial artists like yourself regarded Chuck Norris and Bruce lee
No interest in martial arts per se. Don't even enjoy the movie "crazy" presentations. Never thought of them as "evil" or Satanic" but just a method of fighting.
But most martial arts guys are not interested in rock climbing and rope work like I am. So we're even.
But most martial arts guys are not interested in rock climbing and rope work like I am. So we're even.
There are a few who have tried to resurrect the ninja lifestyle and martial art, but nothing similar on the samurai, except in the bamboo sword fighting sport of Kendo. However, there have been quite a few movies and TV shows with a samurai theme.
I respect any martial artist who has actually competed and put his techniques on the line. Norris did, Lee did not.
We don't need to learn rock climbing; we just jump to the top. And we look at ropes as possible weapons.
Bruce Lee though was considered to be a true master still, correct?
He was a self made master. In other words, he started out with Wing Chun and trained in it quite a bit, but never learned the whole style, so no one considers him to be a master of Wing Chun. He trained somewhat in other Chinese styles, but never to the level of instructor.
So, was he a master? His students considered him to be so, and there is that. But actually, in Hong Kong where he came from the title "Master" is very fluid, even casual. When I was there in 2002 to teach some stuff and preach in a big demonstration, they called me "Master" without ever asking me for credentials!
One more note. In China, lineage is more important than titles. Bruce Lee, though he never learned the whole Wing Chun style, had a great lineage through his instructor, Yip Man. But then so do I, but I'm not a master of Wing Chun (Yip Man to Lo Man Kam to Kaisai to Professor Cravens to me)
canadyjd
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My understanding is that Ninja we’re assassins that attacked from the shadows or used poisoned, and didn’t really look for direct combat, though they were trained.
Am I wrong about that?
Peace to you
You are correct. The ninja (忍者) were the spies of feudal Japan. There were several clans, and they could be hired by a feudal lord, etc., as spies or assassins. So yes, they operated from the shadows, always wearing black, even to cover most of the face. If you actually saw a ninja, you were dead! They had techniques for moving stealthily, such as having your back to a wall and moving by sidestepping in a unique way. They also had their own unique fighting art called ninjutsu (忍術), which was not designed to be fair to the opponent!
The swords they carried were shorter than a katana (the long samurai sword), and straight rather than curved. I once read the opinion of someone who scoffed at that, saying the ninja would be at a disadvantage when fighting a samurai if that was his sword. Well, duh, no ninja wanted to go man-to-man with a samurai! Their sword was designed for stabbing from the shadows, probably from the back! And the straight edge made it easier to pull out after the stab!
My old friend Mike Crain went to Heaven last week. He was probably the first to do evangelistic martial arts evangelism, starting as a college student in 1965. I had the privilege of working with him and being mentored to some degree by him. He believed in my martial art when my usual instructor did not, giving me my first black belt in probably 1977.
Here is his obituary: Obituary information for Michael Lynn Crain
Here is his experience cutting a watermelon off the stomach of a college basketball player named Michael Jordan: MICHAEL'S BRUSH WITH DEATH
Here is his obituary: Obituary information for Michael Lynn Crain
Here is his experience cutting a watermelon off the stomach of a college basketball player named Michael Jordan: MICHAEL'S BRUSH WITH DEATH
Yeah, it is a great story! The way Mike Crain told it, he strictly warned Jordan not to try to sit up until Mike told him to, but Jordan did anyway, and that caused the cut. Many years later Crain and Jordan were at the same event after Jordan became famous, and someone said to Jordan, "Hey, Mike Crain is here. Do you want to say hi?" Jordan replied, "Keep that crazy man away from me!"
