Originally Posted by Darrell C View Post
There are still a lot of God-fearing believers in America, my friend. Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
The bathwater is well polluted with excess and ungodly worship of the fleshly, feel good, ear tickling, no-doctrine folks who are ignorant of Scriptures and unsound in judgment.
Agreed, but that does not mean that there are not a lot of good people in this country still.
So who is it that you consider better than your view of so many people in this country? You? Your family? Your congregation? Your friends?
God spews such "babies" out.
God also is in the habit of saving people, and He uses those who are His, which while we know there is always a many/few ratio. And that has always been the case. Not just since America was founded and people began thinking this was a Christian Country.
There will be no Christian Country until the Millennial Kingdom.
But as far as America goes, as I said...there are still a lot of good people in this country. So you can preach a "The rooster has come home to roost" message, but I suggest you get around a little more to find out how true that is.
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Originally Posted by Darrell C View Post
To make such a statement forgets that there are men and women in this country ready to lay down their lives, and that includes soldiers, police, fire-fighters, and everyday ordinary citizens.
You do not know that my family endured scalping from before the french and indian war,
Relevance?
All of us have ancestors that went through tribulation. That is just the nature of this world.
And is this an excuse to trod the people of this country under your feet? Do you know all of the people in this country? Do you even know all of the people in your own town or city? In your congregation?
How many in your congregation await the judgment of God, rather than belong to Him? Can you tell me that?
that I have members who stood on the battle front and paid the ultimate sacrifice in every conflict this nation has stood up against.
Most of us do. I have several in my family that are still serving.
Relevance?
Don't pretend to present to me what "men and women in this country (are) ready to" do.
It's not pretense...it's truth, and that was seen on 9/11, which was my point.
It's a shame that the solidarity that arose, as well as the re-awakened fear of God...didn't last very long.
And for the record men and women put their lives on the line...every day. Now let's compare that with some other countries where corruption is widespread.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the judgment God has placed upon this land.
What makes you think God has placed judgment on this land?
The fact is that there has always been the many and the few, and the many are blessed through the few, my friend, and their chances of conversion, which should be a continuous pattern, are raised by the few.
The writer of Romans starts by stating the condition of a people God is bringing judgment upon,
This passage speaks of mankind in general...not America specifically.
And what I would suggest to anyone that thinks America was a Christian Nation and then fell is that is a myth. But, the advantage this nation has had is that at the least it has had some men who feared the God of the Bible.
Perhaps if the Church spent more time evangelizing than condemning...we might see a revival of that fear. Perhaps if the Church spent less time establishing secluded kingdoms which exclusionary memberships we would see more come to Christ.
and it is a picture of the western hemisphere.
I wouldn't disagree with that, however, it is a picture of the entire world. Always has been, and always will be until the Millennial Kingdom.
Doesn't mean that all of America should be condemned.
Though I am sure the radical Islamists would heartily agree with you.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
The above IS America - not just the USA, but throughout the western hemisphere.
In case you were not aware, America has not been around since the creation of the world.
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Originally Posted by Darrell C View Post
On this day, of all days...
...we should not forget that.
On THIS day, in THESE times the instruction and cry to all believers should be:
"But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
THAT is what is not to be forgotten.
In case you are not aware this has a Tribulation context.
On the anniversary of 9/11 there is nothing wrong in remembering, and noting, the courage and self-sacrifice that we saw on that day. Men and women who gave up their lives to save others:
John 15:13
King James Version (KJV)
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
That is the true Spirit of America, my friend, and it is my belief that the Spirit of God creates the noble heart of men and women like that.
My hope is in Him.
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He is the hope of all believers, but I see little relevance to my statement that there are still a lot of good people in this country.
God bless.
