Should America Deport the Children?

[Bro. Curtis]

Yes we should. Send them back to their parents.

:thumbs:
Best answer, yet.

 

[Crabtownboy]

With the help of a brother and member of the board, I realized I could not continue to speak of him in the manner I have been for over five years. I will continue to reiterate that I believe he is Marxist, incompetent and has a hidden agenda, but I will no longer use epithets to identify him.

I challenge you to show where I have every defended any of the tenets of Communism.

I see you are a law and order person on this issue, but not on some other issues.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

He's talking about Obama, not you. Learn to read.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I challenge you to show where I have every defended any of the tenets of Communism.

Only an overly sensitive, guilt-ridden person would think the comment from me you quoted had anything remotely whatsoever to do with you.

You obviously did not bother to read the context of that post. I believe you've just proven the case against you.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Only an overly sensitive, guilt-ridden person would think the comment from me you quoted had anything remotely whatsoever to do with you.

You obviously did not bother to read the context of that post. I believe you've just proven the case against you.

I am simply tried of unfounded, untrue accusations calling me a Commie. Either show where I have defended any of the core tenets of Communism or please stop the accusations. You did not change paragraphs, so you were not changing who you were accusing of being a Communist.

I will continue to challenge.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You will continue to be an idiot. He wasn't talking about you. There is no rational challenge. He would be a fool to engage you on this. And calling people unfounded names ? Take a good long look in the mirror, you hypocrite. Most of us are pretty tired of your B.S., as well.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You will continue to be an idiot. He wasn't talking about you. There is no rational challenge. He would be a fool to engage you on this. And calling people unfounded names ? Take a good long look in the mirror, you hypocrite. Most of us are pretty tired of your B.S., as well.

So you are tired of the words of Jesus. Why am I not surprised. Several times you have complained when I used words of Jesus or mentioned his teaching on how we are to treat others.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You ain't Jesus, and you do not speak for him, you creep.

 

[Gina B]

So you are tired of the words of Jesus. Why am I not surprised. Several times you have complained when I used words of Jesus or mentioned his teaching on how we are to treat others.

Crabtownboy, may I remind you of the scriptures that say "anyone who does not provide for his own people, especially for his family, has disowned the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."

Where is our first obligation as a nation? We have a government that is already robbing citizens of the ability to care for their own families. Now you seem to imply that, on top of this insult, believers are somehow ignoring scripture if they do not start taking care of people from other countries.

When people cannot take care of their own family members first and those around them, what does the scripture REALLY say about that? What are you really promoting when you side with a government that is and has been, in all reality, turning its back on everything that Christians believe, turning its back on G-d, and telling us we need to do things contrary to scripture?

I think you may be mistaken on this one, and I'd ask you to really think about what you're saying and who you're siding with on this idea.

The concept of what is happening with these children is heartbreaking. It truly is. The concept of our obligation is something to sit down and ponder. To simply say, straight out, that our immediate obligation is to take them all in without considering all aspects of the situation, however, is not wise.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Crabtownboy, may I remind you of the scriptures that say "anyone who does not provide for his own people, especially for his family, has disowned the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."

I agree.

Where is our first obligation as a nation? We have a government that is already robbing citizens of the ability to care for their own families. Now you seem to imply that, on top of this insult, believers are somehow ignoring scripture if they do not start taking care of people from other countries.

And I expect you can guess which party I believe is most responsible for this horror.

When people cannot take care of their own family members first and those around them, what does the scripture REALLY say about that? What are you really promoting when you side with a government that is and has been, in all reality, turning its back on everything that Christians believe, turning its back on G-d, and telling us we need to do things contrary to scripture?

Again, I expect you can guess which party I hold most responsible for this.

I think you may be mistaken on this one, and I'd ask you to really think about what you're saying and who you're siding with on this idea.

I am siding on the side of desperate people.

The concept of what is happening with these children is heartbreaking. It truly is. The concept of our obligation is something to sit down and ponder. To simply say, straight out, that our immediate obligation is to take them all in without considering all aspects of the situation, however, is not wise.

You are right. We are to take care of our own, and that, IMHO, extends to those in our own society who need help. Also I would hate to think we would send these kids back into a society where many of them would be placed in danger of loosing their life. I doubt that many parents are telling their kids to leave and go to the US. I do believe many look around and see they have no future in their own society, indeed that many see they lives are in danger.

Frankly I am siding on both helping our own and helping others. Remember the Good Samaritan?

It is a sad affair in our world today that children in so many places are in danger. It is a sad affair in our world today that so many women are in grave danger. i.e. India and also in countries where the fundamentalist Muslims are in control, death squads in Brazil are examples. We need to stop so move some money from areas that are spent on harming and killing people to helping people.

Granted we cannot solve ever problem in the world.

It is a hard, complicated issue.

 

[Don]

Here's where the "Good Samaritan" analogy fails: The person in the ditch was there because he had every right to be there. No one took the victim and expected the Samaritan to take care of him.

On the first page of this thread, the statement was made: "Treat the children of others as you would want your own child/children treated." I agree with this statement. Now consider: The parents of these children sent them to this country under the premise that we would help them.

They didn't ask us to help their kids. They didn't petition through legal channels to help their kids. They didn't petition through political channels to help their kids. They didn't petition through religious channels to help their kids.

But CTB is missing the real point of this situation: Should these children be granted immigrant status?

I currently work with a gentleman who has been on an immigrant visa for over ten years, contributing to our country and our workforce; and he was just told that because of the legislation last week, he goes to the "back of the line" while others who are here illegally -- not putting in a smidgen of the effort he has to do things legally, not putting in the effort (as he says) to do something as simple as learn the pledge of allegiance and the Bill of Rights -- those people are now being considered for citizenship before him and his daughters.

Where's the Christian justice in that?

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Yes, we should strive to be the Good Samaritan, and we should do our best to provide for these kids and make sure they're taken care of, until they reach the border and are back in the care of their parents.

 

[Revmitchell]

This influx of illegal criminal immigrants is for the purpose of creating more democrat voters as is the opposition to voter id laws. It has nothing to do with helping anyone's neighbor. To suggest otherwise is just not honest.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Crabtownboy, may I remind you of the scriptures that say "anyone who does not provide for his own people, especially for his family, has disowned the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."

Where is our first obligation as a nation? We have a government that is already robbing citizens of the ability to care for their own families. Now you seem to imply that, on top of this insult, believers are somehow ignoring scripture if they do not start taking care of people from other countries.

When people cannot take care of their own family members first and those around them, what does the scripture REALLY say about that? What are you really promoting when you side with a government that is and has been, in all reality, turning its back on everything that Christians believe, turning its back on G-d, and telling us we need to do things contrary to scripture?

I think you may be mistaken on this one, and I'd ask you to really think about what you're saying and who you're siding with on this idea.

The concept of what is happening with these children is heartbreaking. It truly is. The concept of our obligation is something to sit down and ponder. To simply say, straight out, that our immediate obligation is to take them all in without considering all aspects of the situation, however, is not wise.

Well said, Gina, well said. :thumbs: :applause:

I know we've crossed paths, words, swords and temperaments on a number of occasions, and as I know I have posted insulting and mean-spirited things to you in several threads, I acknowledge that I have wronged you, sincerely apologize, and ask your forgiveness.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Gina's a tough cookie !!!! One of the veterans, and one of my favorites, around here. Good to see you reach out.

 

[Gina B]

Well said, Gina, well said. :thumbs: :applause:

I know we've crossed paths, words, swords and temperaments on a number of occasions, and as I know I have posted insulting and mean-spirited things to you in several threads, I acknowledge that I have wronged you, sincerely apologize, and ask your forgiveness.[/FONT][/SIZE]

Thank you. From fuel comes fire, from fire comes ashes, from ashes comes soap, which is cleansing. So a little clashing is bound to have a positive effect when handed right, as opposed to left.

 

[church mouse guy]

Obama says that our future depends upon these children. He sounds desperate:

President Obama reminded Democratic donors that “our future rests” on the success of people brought to the United States illegally as children, who would qualify for citizenship if Congress had passed the DREAM Act.
“About 30 to 40 percent of the kids in this school, by the way, are DREAM kids,” Obama said Wednesday evening. “You wouldn’t know it looking at them, because they are as American as apple pie....

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/380193/obama-our-future-rests-success-dream-kids-joel-gehrke

As Rush and others have pointed out, it sounds as if we are stealing the future of Latin America by refusing to send those children home to their parents.

Of course, business needs cheap labor and we have to replace the people who were slain by Planned Parenthood, but this sounds as if the Democrats are having difficulty holding their coalition together and are depending on Hispanics to join them as low-wage workers and taxpayers. Hispanics don't seem to realize that under Obama America herself has no future.

 

[Revmitchell]

Obama says that our future depends upon these children. He sounds desperate:



As Rush and others have pointed out, it sounds as if we are stealing the future of Latin America by refusing to send those children home to their parents.

Of course, business needs cheap labor and we have to replace the people who were slain by Planned Parenthood, but this sounds as if the Democrats are having difficulty holding their coalition together and are depending on Hispanics to join them as low-wage workers and taxpayers. Hispanics don't seem to realize that under Obama America herself has no future.

What it is the future of is the Democrat party who needs voters.

 

[church mouse guy]

What it is the future of is the Democrat party who needs voters.

Right, and the big business donors to the Democrats are trying to buy cheap labor. But you have to wonder if the Democrats are falling apart to place so much emphasis on children of foreign parents becoming Democrats. Of course, Catholics are going to vote Democrat because Catholicism does not believe in either the Protestant work ethic or freedom of conscience, freedom of conscience not even being a tenant of Vaticanism.

The Democrats might be losing some Jewish voters with their pro-Islamic policies, although Jews are considered poorly educated and supplicants of the Democrats. Blacks have a tendency to stay home and might not like Hillary too much. G@ys have small numbers and are also highly dependent upon federal subsidies to provide them jobs in Aids hotlines, etc. So the whole Democrat Party might be having trouble.

 

[righteousdude2]

Okay - c4k .....

YOU SAY - Everyone does know of course that there is no truth to this statement.

I SAY - Prove what you say isnt true!

YOU SAY - This whole child thing is a conundrum. It is difficult to know how to handle it without endangering these kids.

I SAY - It is NOT our problem. Their government, their media outlets and the parents and guardians of these children 'ENDANGERED" these children when they sent them on their way to America to be part of the great American "permiso." I say it is the fault of those who carelessly sent them here, they did it at their own risk, and we should take care in protecting them AS WE SEND them back!

YOU SAY - Their dilemma is not of their own making. It is not like dealing with adults who are knowingly breaking the law. I wish I had a good answer for a very tough situation.

I SAY - Well I have the answer .... Once again, the world seems to know that the bleeding hearts running this nation will feel like you, confused and unsure of what to do!, BUT, those kids had to know they were doing wrong, if not, put them in a classroom until we deport them and teach them to recognize "Right from Wrong!"

YOU SAY - If there is a way to ensure their safe return to their parents that is obviously the best solution, but is that possible?

I SAY - Possible or not, it is the problem of the adults who sent them here. Let them take the blame and responsiblity for their children!

Case in point: My neighbor sees that it is going to be a 102 degree day, and they don't have the money or resources to send their kids to the local public pool. But they see I have a pool, and I am not home, so they give their kids towels and instruct them to crawl over my privacy, security fence and enjoy my pool.

I come home and find the kids, and a large group of their friends all over my backyard, peeing in the pool, and enjoying the day!

What do I do? I call the police and let them figure it out. If the kids refuse to say where they live for fear of being sent home, then they go to social services. When I find out who the parents are, I send them a bill for the cleaning of the pool and any destruction to property. If they don't pay, I take them to civil - small claims court and get my money!

It is that simple. No bleeding heart approach, JUST APPLYING the laws as they were meant to be applied to anyone who trespasses on my property, and causes me out of pocket expenses to pay for cleaning up their criminal act!

Please don't take my responses to you personal. It's just you see the world through a shade of color that differs from mine whihc is red, while and blue, not just ROSEY :laugh:

 

[righteousdude2]

TND and I agree .... and the sky is still above us!

I'm voting based on the question being a matter of U.S. domestic policy. No, the government cannot afford to provide for these children, and the law of the land says they should be deported. That is my position regarding the government's role.

Now, if churches want to step up, provide for and place the children for adoption, I'm all for that. That is the only legitimate "path to citizenship" they have. Any congressional or presidential declaration, or court ruling, would not actually have the full force of law even if those making them were to claim it did. It would go against every immigration principle we have codified in the U.S.C.

My sympathies for the children abound. They are innocent pawns in a chess game of political maneuvering begun by our president that essentially invited this "friendly invasion" of juveniles from other countries. He knew the consequences of his policies and statements, and did nothing to mitigate the illegal entry of these children. It is yet another example of Obama's hidden agenda and failed leadership.

Great words .... I finally got you to agree with me, and your last paragraph is outstanding! :thumbs: Especially about Obama being behind this mess. :wavey: