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Should America DEPORT the Illegals, regardless?

Jedi Knight

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That wasn't a cultural thing. That was being overly demanding. So if the rude and demanding customer didn't get her needs met then, yes, that's OK with me.

So it's ok to discriminate against that black guy because he spoke no Spanish is what your saying. You and LaRaza fit right in.
 
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InTheLight

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So it's ok to discriminate against that black guy because he spoke no Spanish is what your saying.

Discriminate? This is not discrimination, this is arrogance and rudeness by the customer. (And I don't see what the salesperson being black has anything to do with it.)

Customer: "I would like my new Ford F150 to be pink in color."

Salesperson: "We don't have any pink F150's. I can help you with another color."

Customer: "I don't want another color."

In this scenario, you think the customer is discriminating?


You and LaRaza fit right in.

?? Who is LaRaza?
 

Jedi Knight

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Discriminate? This is not discrimination, this is arrogance and rudeness by the customer. (And I don't see what the salesperson being black has anything to do with it.)

Customer: "I would like my new Ford F150 to be pink in color."

Salesperson: "We don't have any pink F150's. I can help you with another color."

Customer: "I don't want another color."

In this scenario, you think the customer is discriminating?



?? Who is LaRaza?
I give a thanks for not being insulting in our exchange. :) You can discriminate exclude through language and even if they know both languages. Not long ago we had a delivery from a illegal that spoke no English and kept asking me questions in Spanish. I told him sorry I dont speak Spanish and he was angry as if it was my fault. This behavior is the norm down here. The man being black was real but if I said it was me you probobly said it was a culture thingy. BTW discrimination is not just skin color....it has many ugly faces.
 
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carpro

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I give a thanks for not being insulting in our exchange. :) You can discriminate exclude through language and even if they know both languages. Not long ago we had a delivery from a illegal that spoke no English and kept asking me questions in Spanish. I told him sorry I dont speak Spanish and he was angry as if it was my fault. This behavior is the norm down here. The man being black was real but if I said it was me you probobly said it was a culture thingy. BTW discrimination is not just skin color....it has many ugly faces.

More than that, I witnessed a conversation between an hispanic man and woman. He asked her if she and her children spoke Spanish in their home. She said NO.

Then he turned ugly and really griped her out for betraying her heritage. She was stunned.

I believe that may be an example of what you are talking about.

She wants her family to totally become Americans. He wants to remain a Mexican, but live in America. I have a problem with people like him. BTW Both are legal residents. She is a citizen. He is not.

Another example: I was thumbing through photo IDs looking for one, when the young man said he was the only Mexican in the stack. I looked at him. Clearly hispanic, but spoke English perfectly. I said to him, "you're not a Mexican". He insisted he was. I asked him where he was born, He said he was born in California. I told him he was as American as I was. He seemed shocked. Reckon he came from a family like that of the man above?

These are the new brand of immigrants I have a problem with. They don't want to assimilate. Immigrants in the past did.
 
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InTheLight

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I want to be clear--I believe the immigrants should assimilate, they should learn English, take part in our national holidays, adopt our patriotic traditions. If they don't, they will continue to work at Subway and clean hotel rooms. That said, if they want to communicate in their native language amongst themselves that is their prerogative, but I would hope they would use that time to practice their English.

In JediKnight's example, the woman was probably looking for a Spanish speaking salesperson to make communication more efficient. Her attitude was the problem.

In CarPro's example of the Mexican dude that wanted to remain a Mexican but live in the US, I think that person is wrong.
 

Jedi Knight

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In JediKnight's example, the woman was probably looking for a Spanish speaking salesperson to make communication more efficient. Her attitude was the problem.

Trust me I live in the heart of this mess and she was not looking for nothing more than Hispanics stick together.
 
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Revmitchell

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LaRaza is a militant Mexican rights group that wants open borders so the can relcaim their land.

Anyone who comes to America and wants to stay and live needs to be willing to assimilate. If not they need to go home.
 
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Jedi Knight

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Who is LaRaza?

La Raza is a Hispanic racist organization. La Raza means 'The Race'. What does that say just in their name......cultural thing again? Obama and Democrats accept them as normal and work with......Hispanic version of the KKK or Black Panthers.
 
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Use of Time

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You need to hold his hand? He's trying to have it both ways to save face. I think in the Light is less insulting than you.....your done.

This is funny to hear as you just got through lumping him in with the same group as the "Mexican KKK or Black Panthers."
 

Jedi Knight

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Anyone who comes to America and want to stay and live needs to be willing to assimilate. If not they need to go home.

Lawlessness is why it wont be like that unfortunately. I lived in Houston all my life and as a kid maybe 2 Black kids and 2 Mexicans in our class and ALL spoke English. Now its all Hispanic and 2 or three white and black kids "same school" 45 years later. Is not the race its the language they bring with them and don't care to change so others are paying the price. BY LAW you have to learn English to become a American but if you thumb your nose at the Law and say "No, gracias".
 
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Salty

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...That said, if they want to communicate in their native language amongst themselves that is their prerogative, but I would hope they would use that time to practice their English. ....

One of my greatest regrets during my 3 tours and 8 years in Germany was NOT learning the language. :tear:
I remember my OIC request to remain on the economy (live off base) in order to assimilate more into the German culture.
Now I realize she had a good ideal.
 

Use of Time

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One of my greatest regrets during my 3 tours and 8 years in Germany was NOT learning the language. :tear:
I remember my OIC request to remain on the economy (live off base) in order to assimilate more into the German culture.
Now I realize she had a good ideal.

Everybody that I know that got a chance to be stationed in Germany absolutely loved it. You got a good deal. 8 years wow! That would never happen today with the whole life cycle and Brigade Combat Team concept. I was lucky to get Hawaii for 5 years.
 

InTheLight

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I was lucky to get Hawaii for 5 years.

My dad was a code breaker in the Army signal corps in Hawaii for almost 4 years in WW2. He said he didn't like the climate which was mind-boggling to me.

We now return to the topic of the thread...
 

JohnDeereFan

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I answered your questions in post #56 and you haven't posted since then. What are you talking about exactly?

Actually, you didn't answer them. You just said you made some vague answer in another thread.

Still waiting to hear how furloughing Department of Education or Bureau of Indian Affairs would "cripple the military".

Likewise, you still haven't explained why reducing taxes and repealing onerous regulations on small business would hurt small business.

Lastly, you never explained why the allegedly necessity to pay Americans more to do jobs currently being done at minimum wage or below by border criminals would cripple the economy, but raising the minimum wage would not.

I look forward to your answers and seeing what creative insults you come up with.
 

Use of Time

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Actually, you didn't answer them. You just said you made some vague answer in another thread.

Still waiting to hear how furloughing Department of Education or Bureau of Indian Affairs would "cripple the military".

Likewise, you still haven't explained why reducing taxes and repealing onerous regulations on small business would hurt small business.

Lastly, you never explained why the allegedly necessity to pay Americans more to do jobs currently being done at minimum wage or below by border criminals would cripple the economy, but raising the minimum wage would not.

I look forward to your answers and seeing what creative insults you come up with.

Well first of all I now see that you never posted these questions after I responded, you strangely added these questions to the post prior to mine which would have required me to read the thread backwards.

Second of all you never mentioned the Department of Education or Bureau of Indian Affairs in your initial posts, you just said 90% of federal employees. That is quite a difference. Those two agencies don't even come close to 90% of all federal employees so you are essentially shifting the goal posts here and doing so badly.

As far as small businesses go you are going to have to be more specific and talk about which "onerous" regulations you are talking about. This wasn't even your original post anyway.

As for the fourth question I already referred you to the "Illegal Stats" thread in which we had pages worth of conversation about this very issue. I'm not going to rehash that entire conversation again but it's really not that hard to find and I find it hard to believe you weren't reading that thread anyway.
 
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