Should Biden Pardon Trump?

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

If one recalls back 7 years ago, it was FBI Director James Comey who sunk Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign 11 days before the election when he announced the reopening of her email case.

Yeah, there was something like that, but nothing bona fide. It may have hurt her, but significantly? Doubtful.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The recent past? No. Not with the advent of the primacy of using primaries to choose candidates and allowing more participation of the general populace in doing so in recent decades.

I submit that we used to have MUCH better candidates and presidents before all of that - such as George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Quincy Adams, Grover Cleveland, et al.

I recognize that I am out of time in my politics, as I remember a time when campaigns were MUCH less about personalities and MUCH more about political philosophy and issues. Yes, there has always been some yakety yak back and forth in politics, but at least there was a lot of substance to campaigns, as well, and not just name-calling and victimology.

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As I recall, and this is from reading about it, Kennedy bested Nixon via TV, not the issues. Ever since women got the vote...

 

[Salty]

SUPPOSE - Trump did win in 2024 - would Biden then give him a full pardon w/i 30 days?

 

[atpollard]

Someone following the details correct me if my facts are wrong:

• Trump left office with classified documents in his possession.
• Trump was ordered to return them from his home in Florida.
• Trump refused to return the classified documents and hid the documents to make them harder to find.
• The FBI a finally executed search warrants to recover the classified documents.

None of that seems a “misunderstanding” or an “accident” or anything other than a deliberate act and a belief that one is above the law.

• If the documents are NOT CLASSIFIED, then Trump has a wrongful damage claim against the US Government for their actions.
• If the documents ARE CLASSIFIED, then Trump is guilty of a premeditated crime with zero remorse and no excuse.

Neither case warrants a pardon. Sometimes people break the law and go to jail … even the wealthy and powerful. [Just not often enough.]

I have no intention of voting for Trump again, ever.
If the Republican Party is foolish enough to repeat 2020, they DESERVE to lose in 2024.

 

[Salty]

Lets say - for argument sake - Trump is guilty -
Should Biden be tried for the same crime?

 

[37818]

Lets say - for argument sake - Trump is guilty -
Should Biden be tried for the same crime?

If Trump is guilty, how would Biden be guilty of the same crime?

 

[Salty]

If Trump is guilty, how would Biden be guilty of the same crime?

Because Biden did the same thing at the end of his Veep term

 

[37818]

Because Biden did the same thing at the end of his Veep term

Then it is a same type of crime, but a another occurrence of said crime.

 

[KenH]

hould Biden be tried for the same crime?

Did Biden refuse to give the documents back?

Did Pence refuse to give the documents back?

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Because Biden did the same thing at the end of his Veep term

As VP Biden had no authority to retain such documents. Trump, on the other hand, as President had the perfect right to all his documents.

 

[canadyjd]

SUPPOSE - Trump did win in 2024 - would Biden then give him a full pardon w/i 30 days?

Maybe. He might pardon DT, and then pardon himself, Hunter and then rest of his family and say he was just trying end all the political retaliation.

peace to you

 

[KenH]

As VP Biden had no authority to retain such documents. Trump, on the other hand, as President had the perfect right to all his documents.

Nope. Per the U.S. Constitution, the president is not a king. Yes, I am quite aware that hardly anyone pays attention to the U.S. Constitution. Sometimes I feel like the only ones who do are me and about a dozen other people in the United States.

 

[Salty]

Fact check explores presidential authority to declassify

 

[canadyjd]

Fact check explores presidential authority to declassify

So… the link (American Bar Association) says POTUS has broad authority to declassify with exception of nuclear secrets which does require a “process” of consultation as required by law.

DT assertions have not yet been challenged in court. I guess these criminal charges will be the test. Looks like the civil route would have been a better challenge, but we are living in interesting times.

thanks for the info Salty.

peace to you

 

[Salty]

...thanks for the info Salty. ...

all I did was google

 

[canadyjd]

all I did was google

Is that a new dance move?


peace to you

 

[Salty]

Is that a new dance move?

I'm a Baptist - we dont dance

 

[KenH]

I'm a Baptist - we dont dance

Do you rock and roll?

 

[Salty]

Do you rock and roll?

Yep
Rock of Ages
&
When the Roll is called up yonder!