Should Christian Schools teach the theory of Evolution?

[Paul from Antioch]

You are excluding Modern Christian Day School (i.e. 12th Grade & under) education I hope. (Which IMHO goes back to what a young person ought to receive at home. [Proverbs 22:6].)

 

[timtofly]

There will never be a modern church based education that teaches Genesis 1 that claims the sun and moon are equally two great lights. That ship sailed hundreds of years ago, and will never return. No one is going to teach that the angels were created at the same time as those 2 great lights. The two lights are angels as well, since the stars are, if we are consistent with the angels being all the lights in the sky. There are some angels that are not lights, or the so called "planets" are lights as well. See how difficult it is to erase 2500 years of Satan's deception that was already at work in the first century? The church that became apostate did not stand up to Satan and his science (knowledge) that he misled the whole world with. Such science was never challenged, and all were martyred who tried.

 

[Paul from Antioch]

The point that I was trying to make is that (From the middle 1970s-the middle 1990s, I was a teacher in the Jr High & Sr High grade levels of a Christian Day School. This Christian Day School was located in a very transient area (A Military base was located adjacent to this Christian Day School.), & as a consequence, I had to teach these young students who had come from a variety of home situations (i.e., the extent to which the families from which they came was always varied as to that family's exposure to God's Word). Some were relatively "Old Timers" in that the family had years of experiences in Bible Truths, whereas others were essentially newcomers to His Family, and as a result were quite unfamiliar with what the Bible was teaching them in regards to just about every single Bible truth. That being said, I tried to instill in these young folks minds what God's Word was teaching them, from Genesis 1:1 on. (I.E., That God Himself was/is the one & only Creator of ALL Things: Animal, Vegetable, and Mineral), but that The Father of All Lies was doing his dead-level best to cast doubts on the veracity of what God's Word is plainly telling them. As a consequence, IMHO, I think it's imperative that these young folks who're about to launch their young lives as mature Christians absolutely NEED to not only KNOW about Satan's lies, BUT ALSO how to defeat this Satanic, Humanistic "Replacement Theory" of how EVERYTHING had its origin, based on what God in His Word tells us from "Day One." IMHO, if one has absolutely no idea about the source of these Devilish concepts, it'd be almost next to impossible for discern God's Truths from that of our sworn enemy---Satan himself. Regardless if one as has as many degrees attached to her/his name that this person may use the nickname "Celsius," if one has no idea of where he/she came from in the first place, she/he most likely will NOT know how to combat these vicious lies that come from the Pits of Hell, will he/her?

 

[Paul from Antioch]

 

[Paul from Antioch]

The point that I was trying to make is that (From the middle 1970s-the middle 1990s, I was a teacher in the Jr High & Sr High grade levels of a Christian Day School. This Christian Day School was located in a very transient area (A Military base was located adjacent to this Christian Day School.), & as a consequence, I had to teach these young students who had come from a variety of home situations (i.e., the extent to which the families from which they came was always varied as to that family's exposure to God's Word). Some were relatively "Old Timers" in that the family had years of experiences in Bible Truths, whereas others were essentially newcomers to His Family, and as a result were quite unfamiliar with what the Bible was teaching them in regards to just about every single Bible truth. That being said, I tried to instill in these young folks minds what God's Word was teaching them, from Genesis 1:1 on. (I.E., That God Himself was/is the one & only Creator of ALL Things: Animal, Vegetable, and Mineral), but that The Father of All Lies was doing his dead-level best to cast doubts on the veracity of what God's Word is plainly telling them. As a consequence, IMHO, I think it's imperative that these young folks who're about to launch their young lives as mature Christians absolutely NEED to not only KNOW about Satan's lies, BUT ALSO how to defeat this Satanic, Humanistic "Replacement Theory" of how EVERYTHING had its origin, based on what God in His Word tells us from "Day One." IMHO, if one has absolutely no idea about the source of these Devilish concepts, it'd be almost next to impossible for discern God's Truths from that of our sworn enemy---Satan himself. Regardless if one as has as many degrees attached to her/his name that this person may use the nickname "Celsius," if one has no idea of where he/she came from in the first place, she/he most likely will NOT know how to combat these vicious lies that come from the Pits of Hell, will he/her?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Yes, from the position of knowing thine enemy.

 

[Paul from Antioch]

Paul

I'm a literal 6 day young earth, fundamental inerrant Bible believer. You misunderstand my position I think. I'm saying that evolution, among other things is a major teaching in the world. If we don't have a basic understanding of what the world teaches then we will not be able to offer a better alternative. In spite of the fact that we have the truth, when we don't know what we are talking about we look uneducated.

Will some join the world if they know some of the teachings of the world? Yes, sorry to say but teaching creationism only in school will not guarantee that one goes on the believe the Gospel either. St. Paul tells us that the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God. Some will take the world's path no matter what. The Israelites in the Exodus saw the power of God first hand but most did not believe.

What we need to do is personally stand firm in our convictions regarding the Gospel and the Bible and be a light for the world. We are for sure in a moral decline in this society, "evangelicalism" is now a joke, the "church" looks like the world. But not having an elementary knowledge of the currently popular theories, wrong as they are and at odds with the Bible, is not going to help us win the battle. We need to be in the world not of the world.

While I understand your concern for this world's moral decline (& its consequences for both the lost & we who are in God's Family), I don't take the position that you SEEM to be making (i.e., NOT "having an elementary knowledge of the currently popular theories ...."). Maybe it's because I've spent some 20+ years in the military, but IMHO, one of the best ways to win against one's enemies is to understand his/her misconceptions of "How we got here in the first place." The military, (& hence, me too!) does whatever it can to analyze the enemy's mindset so that one can more easily defeat him/her. EX: If one enters a cross-country race, she/he would have a distinct advantage if he/she would know in advance what the terrain is like (It's hazards to avoid, as well as its "advantages" where a runner might just pull ahead.) OTOH, if that cross-country runner is completely ignorant of that race's terrain, his/her opponent (Who DOES know of that terrain!) would most likely have a very significant advantage, & just might win that race. Whether or not a student takes advantage of this knowledge is, more or less, up to her/him. (EX:A student might excel in Advanced Calculus, but if he/she doesn't apply that knowledge, chances are that she/he won't head a design team for NASA anytime soon, don't you think so?

 

[Paul from Antioch]

While I understand your concern for this world's moral decline (& its consequences for both the lost & we who are in God's Family), I don't take the position that you SEEM to be making (i.e., NOT "having an elementary knowledge of the currently popular theories ...."). Maybe it's because I've spent some 20+ years in the military, but IMHO, one of the best ways to win against one's enemies is to understand his/her misconceptions of "How we got here in the first place." The military, (& hence, me too!) does whatever it can to analyze the enemy's mindset so that one can more easily defeat him/her. EX: If one enters a cross-country race, she/he would have a distinct advantage if he/she would know in advance what the terrain is like (It's hazards to avoid, as well as its "advantages" where a runner might just pull ahead.) OTOH, if that cross-country runner is completely ignorant of that race's terrain, his/her opponent (Who DOES know of that terrain!) would most likely have a very significant advantage, & just might win that race. Whether or not a student takes advantage of this knowledge is, more or less, up to her/him. (EX:A student might excel in Advanced Calculus, but if he/she doesn't apply that knowledge, chances are that she/he won't head a design team for NASA anytime soon, don't you think so?

 

[Paul from Antioch]

While I understand your concern for this world's moral decline (& its consequences for both the lost & we who are in God's Family), I don't take the position that you SEEM to be making (i.e., NOT "having an elementary knowledge of the currently popular theories ...."). Maybe it's because I've spent some 20+ years in the military, but IMHO, one of the best ways to win against one's enemies is to understand his/her misconceptions of "How we got here in the first place." The military, (& hence, me too!) does whatever it can to analyze the enemy's mindset so that one can more easily defeat him/her. EX: If one enters a cross-country race, she/he would have a distinct advantage if he/she would know in advance what the terrain is like (It's hazards to avoid, as well as its "advantages" where a runner might just pull ahead.) OTOH, if that cross-country runner is completely ignorant of that race's terrain, his/her opponent (Who DOES know of that terrain!) would most likely have a very significant advantage, & just might win that race. Whether or not a student takes advantage of this knowledge is, more or less, up to her/him. (EX:A student might excel in Advanced Calculus, but if he/she doesn't apply that knowledge, chances are that she/he won't head a design team for NASA anytime soon, don't you think so?

 

[Paul from Antioch]

From the mid 1970s - mid 1990s I taught Jr High & Sr High students in a Christian Day School in a town that was quite transient in nature due to it being located in an area that had a large military base nearby. Consequently, the extent to which these young folks were exposed in Biblical truths varied considerably. Some came from families that had years of exposure to sound Biblical teachings whereas others may have had only a smattering of truths taught in God's Word. Since most of these young folks were planning to pursue their education in all sorts of secular colleges or universities, I felt it incumbent on me as one of their teachers to do what I could to teach them what the Bible taught about their enemy--Satan & his henchmen--their MO's, especially when it came to the question of who (or what) was the Creator of all things--animal, vegetable, or mineral--namely, God Himself. Since most of these students were planning to further their education in whatever they deemed to be their lives' "calling," most of them would wind up having to go to secular colleges or universities. With that in mind, IMHO I considered it to be one of my primary objectives was to give them some background facts regarding how the humanistic, Satan-based philosophy of our origins that was in direct contradiction to all of what Genesis 1:1 tells us. Naturally, I'd have to tell them what, or better yet WHO, was ultimately the driving force in the dynamic philosophy behind everything that God decreed, especially in the matter of Who it was that not only created, but also sustained (See Colossians 1:17 ) all things. To this end, we who know at least some elementary principles in the question of "Where (or "By Whom") did everything come from. IMHO, the best way to overcome this anti-God mindset that has permeated our schools ( & even some so-called "Christian" ones too!) of higher education for the last few centuries. "Fore known is fore armed," you might say, was my primary motive in teaching them the skills that are so critical in these days. What these young folks did with what I tried to instill in their hearts & minds, of course, to a large degree would be up to them as individuals. As a teacher in those critical years of their lives, it was my hope that at the very least they would understand the how's & why's of God's enemy(-ies). This is the reason that I taught this so-called, Satan-inspired "Theory(-ies)" of evolution to them, & to this day I still firmly believe that it must be one of the goals of Christian Day Schools (esp. in the "higher" grade levels!) to teach our nation's (& world's) next generation(s) the lies that The Father of Lies (John 8:44 ) has spread. You may see things differently than I do about this, & if you do, I welcome reading your Scriptural reason(s) for so doing. Thanks in advance for your input, be it one side or the other, so long as you do supply the scriptures that bolster your view(s) in this matter.

 

[Paul from Antioch]

Bro Thomas 15, would you please elaborate your position(s) on the teaching of evolution in Christian Day Schools, especially in the Jr & Sr grade levels? I may have misinterpreted your post(s), but it would seem to me that what you're saying is that in no way should ANY Christian Day School (esp. in the Jr & Sr High grade levels) NOT teach about evolution as a means of skirting the issues(s) of how anybody or anything, past, present, & future, got here in the first place. Again, I may be misinterpreting your post(s), being 75+ YO & a very seriously medically & physically military vet that I've been over the past several years may be a factor in my interpreting what you've posted. If that's the case, please do forgive me Brother....That's been one of the reasons I've had to leave out posting here on B B until recently....ANYWAY, your forgiveness Brother in Jesus that you are, would be appreciated.

 

[AustinC]

All schools should teach scientific method and present the various theories associated with scientific method, including Darwin's theory of evolution. Evolution is the primary theory held by the majority of scientists, therefore if we want our children to be prepared to work in the science community, we have to teach them the theory.

 

[Alcott]

Perhaps teach them this:

 

[Paul from Antioch]

Perhaps teach them this:

To all of you folks who've answered by original question...Am I CORRECT in my interpretaion(s) that you do NOT think we should teach our Jr High - Sr High students in a Christian Day School?? If that's my understanding, then I'm sorry, but I'd have to disagree with your statement(s) that we shouldn't teach our future generations about the Satan-led & the inspiration of how anything, anywhere, & any kind (i.e, Animal, Vegetable, or Mineral, a single thing about how we got here? While I do understand that the fallacies of this humanistic attempt to lure our future generation(s) should primarily come from their home(s), in my situation, it being a very transient in nature, many of their parents were new-borns in God's family & most of them came from very liberal Bible preaching & teaching "so-called 'church(-ies)." Therefore most of these new-born families have had very little (if any at all!!) training in what God in His Word teaches from Genesis 1:1 & on. While I do agree in principle that this Satanic-origination of denying the very truth(s) of God's Word from the get go, I not only firmly believe that teaching our future generations not only that this very humanistic explanation that even denies that IS a Creator God, much less the very truths that are found throughout His Inspired Word are in fact the dominant concept of how anybody or anything got created in the first place is, IMHO, a fact in this sin-cursed world in which we Christians have to live. Perhaps I've misunderstood what you were/are posting, and if that's the case, I ask your forgiveness. Being a 75+ YO handicapped military veteran does have a way of confusing me at times. I do wish to continue this narrative because IMHO, it IS very important that we equip those who will soon be our leaders in generations to come. Either way, I'd appreciate your supplying me with very specific Bible passages that support your position. Even at 75+YO (& about 55 years in God's Family), I'm not beyond learning your approach(-es) to the truths that ARE found in God's inspired & inerrant Word.

 

[Paul from Antioch]

There will never be a modern church based education that teaches Genesis 1 that claims the sun and moon are equally two great lights. That ship sailed hundreds of years ago, and will never return. No one is going to teach that the angels were created at the same time as those 2 great lights. The two lights are angels as well, since the stars are, if we are consistent with the angels being all the lights in the sky. There are some angels that are not lights, or the so called "planets" are lights as well. See how difficult it is to erase 2500 years of Satan's deception that was already at work in the first century? The church that became apostate did not stand up to Satan and his science (knowledge) that he misled the whole world with. Such science was never challenged, and all were martyred who tried.

Bro. Timtofly, I'm going to disagree with your position that: "No one is going to teach that ....." From the middle 1970s to the mid 1990s I taught primarily Jr High & Sr High students. Even before they reached the 7th grade, the Christian Day School where I taught DID, in fact TEACH what you assume that they didn't. From pre-school up to the 6th grade, we taught them (at their grade level of course) about Genesis 1:1 and so on. Of course we never made any claim to be a Christian college or university, but a student who went through our educational system was, IMHO, well equipped to handle the challenges that he/she would face in a sin-stained world. Please provide me with specific information about your position on the failure of ALL Christian Day Schools ANYWHERE & at ANY TIME have utterly failed to teach the truths found in Genesis 1:1 on to Revelation 22:21 . I would be very interested in finding out the sources upon which your conclusions, and I'm sure that the rest of us on Baptist Board will feel the same. Thanks in advance for your help in this very serious issue!!

 

[timtofly]

Bro. Timtofly, I'm going to disagree with your position that: "No one is going to teach that ....." From the middle 1970s to the mid 1990s I taught primarily Jr High & Sr High students. Even before they reached the 7th grade, the Christian Day School where I taught DID, in fact TEACH what you assume that they didn't. From pre-school up to the 6th grade, we taught them (at their grade level of course) about Genesis 1:1 and so on. Of course we never made any claim to be a Christian college or university, but a student who went through our educational system was, IMHO, well equipped to handle the challenges that he/she would face in a sin-stained world. Please provide me with specific information about your position on the failure of ALL Christian Day Schools ANYWHERE & at ANY TIME have utterly failed to teach the truths found in Genesis 1:1 on to Revelation 22:21 . I would be very interested in finding out the sources upon which your conclusions, and I'm sure that the rest of us on Baptist Board will feel the same. Thanks in advance for your help in this very serious issue!!

How can you change the course of education that was changed from a flat earth to a globe hundreds of years ago? This is not even about a flat earth, as no one can accept science can be wrong. There is no way one can take earthly knowledge and use it to prepare one's self for Paradise. Genesis 1 claims there was water above the stars in the firmament. Many ancient interpretations claim a dome. The firmament is not a dome. It is a layer in a cube. Reality is the 3 dimensions of a cube. The length, the depth, and the height of God's Love is created reality. There was, perhaps still is water above the place where the sun and moon are along with all the angels working as stars in this square section of reality above us. The 4th dimension is time, the size of the cube is directly related to the 8000 years of existence, the breadth. Third heaven would be above the water.

How would knowing this relate at all to society around us? It would not fit into the science currently taught. Einstein figured it out, but he must have known the world would never see it that way. No one would even accept that reality has a finite time limit of 8000 years. Even young earth creationist would not accept these conditions as given in Scripture. They cannot use Genesis 1 to really prove anything because they are interpreting it through the lense of science and not the Word of God. The earth is only the central area of a cube. The sun is not the center, but a great light in the sky. The sun, moon and stars just orbit the center like all the stuff humans put in the firmament.

The point of no return happened hundreds of years ago. There is no getting back to it. And time has literally run out to do anything about it.

 

[Paul from Antioch]

How can you change the course of education that was changed from a flat earth to a globe hundreds of years ago? This is not even about a flat earth, as no one can accept science can be wrong. There is no way one can take earthly knowledge and use it to prepare one's self for Paradise. Genesis 1 claims there was water above the stars in the firmament. Many ancient interpretations claim a dome. The firmament is not a dome. It is a layer in a cube. Reality is the 3 dimensions of a cube. The length, the depth, and the height of God's Love is created reality. There was, perhaps still is water above the place where the sun and moon are along with all the angels working as stars in this square section of reality above us. The 4th dimension is time, the size of the cube is directly related to the 8000 years of existence, the breadth. Third heaven would be above the water.

How would knowing this relate at all to society around us? It would not fit into the science currently taught. Einstein figured it out, but he must have known the world would never see it that way. No one would even accept that reality has a finite time limit of 8000 years. Even young earth creationist would not accept these conditions as given in Scripture. They cannot use Genesis 1 to really prove anything because they are interpreting it through the lense of science and not the Word of God. The earth is only the central area of a cube. The sun is not the center, but a great light in the sky. The sun, moon and stars just orbit the center like all the stuff humans put in the firmament.

The point of no return happened hundreds of years ago. There is no getting back to it. And time has literally run out to do anything about it.

 

[Paul from Antioch]

How can you change the course of education that was changed from a flat earth to a globe hundreds of years ago? This is not even about a flat earth, as no one can accept science can be wrong. There is no way one can take earthly knowledge and use it to prepare one's self for Paradise. Genesis 1 claims there was water above the stars in the firmament. Many ancient interpretations claim a dome. The firmament is not a dome. It is a layer in a cube. Reality is the 3 dimensions of a cube. The length, the depth, and the height of God's Love is created reality. There was, perhaps still is water above the place where the sun and moon are along with all the angels working as stars in this square section of reality above us. The 4th dimension is time, the size of the cube is directly related to the 8000 years of existence, the breadth. Third heaven would be above the water.

How would knowing this relate at all to society around us? It would not fit into the science currently taught. Einstein figured it out, but he must have known the world would never see it that way. No one would even accept that reality has a finite time limit of 8000 years. Even young earth creationist would not accept these conditions as given in Scripture. They cannot use Genesis 1 to really prove anything because they are interpreting it through the lense of science and not the Word of God. The earth is only the central area of a cube. The sun is not the center, but a great light in the sky. The sun, moon and stars just orbit the center like all the stuff humans put in the firmament.

The point of no return happened hundreds of years ago. There is no getting back to it. And time has literally run out to do anything about it.

There CAN be "a point of return," but only if we as God's servants here on earth take seriously the command to "teaching them (meaning those who would dare to deny ALL the truths Such as by Whom were we created in the first place!) in which Jesus Christ commissioned us to do in Matthew 28:18-19. We, as mere servants of God, are NOT commanded to merely pick & choose what We in our limited minds believe are vitally important. A servant doesn't have the option to obey only what he thinks is important: That choice is up to our Master, and our Master, Jesus Christ Himself, commissioned (not suggested, as you seem to imply) us to make disciples of ALL men & ALL nations, "...to obey ALL the COMMANDS I (God Himself) that I HAVE GIVEN YOU!" (Matthew 28:20). This includes (but isn't limited to) by Whom we as mortal men were/are created. (See Genesis 1:26).

 

[timtofly]

God is about to teach all humans alive directly the Truth of His Word. They will have no excuse to claim they do not know. Some will harden their hearts and continue accepting Satan's deceptions.

Being prepared for the Second Coming is more important than understanding creation.

 

[Centrist]

A church school, yes. Absolutely. A public school, no, but it should also be optional.