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Maverick
Member
I just remembered a show where a gal said she was a stripper for Jesus. I always thought that to be in error, but if you can show 98% of your flesh while you are sashshaying up and down the beach why not the last 2% while you sashshay up and down a pole. Not a whole lot of difference and at least you will get tips as well as whistles.
Pastor_Bob
Well-Known Member
You can bet your life that if my wife or my daughters ever got the wild notion to wear anything as ungodly, immodest, sensual, and carnal as a thong bikini, I would, without hesitation, "rule over her" and "forbid" it.
You can bet your life that if my wife or my daughters ever got the wild notion to wear anything as ungodly, immodest, sensual, and carnal as a thong bikini, I would, without hesitation, "rule over her" and "forbid" it.</font>[/QUOTE]Maverick --
I initially found it very offensive that this thread
asked whether Christian women should be
"allowed" to wear thongs. Just hit me wrong,
I guess. Allowed? Give me a break! But
reading your post and Pastor Bob's above, I got
it into proper perspective.
If I were the type of woman who would even
consider wearing a thong, I would hope that
my husband would be man enough to stand
in the doorway and tell me, "You are not going
out like that and expecting to come back in as
the wife I have loved for the last 15 years." And
he had better be man enough to let me go out if
I persist, but man enough to let me know, when
I returned, that things were not going to be the
same from then on.
Knowing who I am, when I came back, it would
be best if I were met by new playmates in
white coats with a free ride to a good hospital,
because that is where I would belong.
But if a woman is going to act like that, a godly
man is going to have to make some serious
decisions real fast. And they had better not be
compromising decisions.
[ August 30, 2002, 08:33 PM: Message edited by: Abiyah ]
Pastor Bob and Maverick...
What was I thinking ?!?
I had some crazy notion about husbands loving their wives the way that Christ loved the church. Men portraying the role of Jesus Christ in their marriages. Humbly serving their wives every day in love and self-sacrifice in order to help their wives become most Godly. And in that way fostering a such reverence and respect from a wife that would cause her to never entertain the idea of wearing immodest clothing.
But alas...
Silly me. Your way sounds so much better.
Peace-
YSIC
Scarlett O.
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What was I thinking ?!?
I had some crazy notion about husbands loving their wives the way that Christ loved the church. Men portraying the role of Jesus Christ in their marriages. Humbly serving their wives every day in love and self-sacrifice in order to help their wives become most Godly. And in that way fostering a such reverence and respect from a wife that would cause her to never entertain the idea of wearing immodest clothing.
But alas...
Silly me. Your way sounds so much better.
Peace-
YSIC
Scarlett O.
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Pastor_Bob
Well-Known Member
Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
Does Christ's perfect, self-sacrificing love for you always initiate such reverence and respect that you never disobey or displease Him? I wish I could say that it did me, but I can't.
Maverick
Member
Hmm, and what do you do when you love your child and they come up with something stupid just let them do it? If I correct and impede my children from doing something stupid how much more so should I do for my mate who is bone of my bones and indeed how else can I lover her as myself (we are one) if I just let her run out the door naked? Indeed, Christ loves His Church and has things that He forbids her to do and chastises her when she is not compliant. I forbid her and exercise my God given authority only when it is necessary not just for a whim.
I think (but I have--shiver!--been wrong before)
that the problem still lies with the words, "let"
or "allow." A woman is an adult, with a mind
of her own. It is difficult to read that any adult
male would try to prevent her from doing some-
thing or that the would "let" her do something.
Wwhen I said that Ii hoped my husband would
stand at the door and let his opinion of my
actions be known (in my earlier but recent
post), I intended that he should state his
opinion clearly and let me know what he thought
of my actions, if I were going out to a beach in
a thong. I did not intend that he should physic-
ally prevent me from going.
This is what you mean, too? You do not mean
that you would prevent her from going, but your
opinion of her actions would be unmistakable?
This is what I took you to mean; am I right?
[ August 31, 2002, 01:00 AM: Message edited by: Abiyah ]
that the problem still lies with the words, "let"
or "allow." A woman is an adult, with a mind
of her own. It is difficult to read that any adult
male would try to prevent her from doing some-
thing or that the would "let" her do something.
Wwhen I said that Ii hoped my husband would
stand at the door and let his opinion of my
actions be known (in my earlier but recent
post), I intended that he should state his
opinion clearly and let me know what he thought
of my actions, if I were going out to a beach in
a thong. I did not intend that he should physic-
ally prevent me from going.
This is what you mean, too? You do not mean
that you would prevent her from going, but your
opinion of her actions would be unmistakable?
This is what I took you to mean; am I right?
[ August 31, 2002, 01:00 AM: Message edited by: Abiyah ]
Scarlett,
I think that sometimes theology can be a hindrance to treating others with the utmost respect.
Those who talk loudly about servanthood, seen in places such as John 13, where Jesus washed the feet of the disciples, seem nevertheless prone to adopt a rather domineering stance regarding their own positions of authority, which seems to me to be a wrong application of what the Bible teaches us about God. He is sovereign and omniscient and we are not. So we ought never to try to bear authority like He alone can. Power corrupts us whereas it cannot corrupt God. The only 'safe' path for us is servanthood, imo. People seem too liable to relish and misuse authority, in my experience.
However, there could be exceptions...
Anyway it seems like we think alike
AITB
I think that sometimes theology can be a hindrance to treating others with the utmost respect.
Those who talk loudly about servanthood, seen in places such as John 13, where Jesus washed the feet of the disciples, seem nevertheless prone to adopt a rather domineering stance regarding their own positions of authority, which seems to me to be a wrong application of what the Bible teaches us about God. He is sovereign and omniscient and we are not. So we ought never to try to bear authority like He alone can. Power corrupts us whereas it cannot corrupt God. The only 'safe' path for us is servanthood, imo. People seem too liable to relish and misuse authority, in my experience.
However, there could be exceptions...
Anyway it seems like we think alike
AITB
I just wonder?
Is this question about a wife wearing a "wedgie suit" a real situation or just a fantasy for the husband?
Is the wife in this case taking a poll?
If a husband is in doubt as to wheither something is right or wrong that may be a clue that it is not right or at least there is an element of doubt.
Is this question about a wife wearing a "wedgie suit" a real situation or just a fantasy for the husband?
Is the wife in this case taking a poll?
If a husband is in doubt as to wheither something is right or wrong that may be a clue that it is not right or at least there is an element of doubt.
AITB-
In all my years of trying to express myself about the humility of a husband's spiritual leadership in his home, I have never said it nor heard it said better than you just did.
Peace-
YSIC
Scarlett O.
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[ August 31, 2002, 10:37 AM: Message edited by: Scarlett O. ]
Pastor_Bob
Well-Known Member
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee .
1Tim 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house , how shall he take care of the church of God?)
I have a responsibility under God to "rule" my house and my home. If I have to be a dictator, then I married the wrong woman. If I make my wife the Queen, then that makes me the King .
If my wife does something like desire to wear a thong bikini in public, I would consider myself to have failed in some area as husband and leader. I would still forbid her to leave the house with that intention. Yes, I would physically
restrain her if necessary.
We would then begin the process of determining where I had failed. More than likely it would be traced back to a lack of love on my part. I would take drastic steps to correct that and beg her forgiveness.
What woman would not respond to that? If she insisted on going out in public naked, then it is time for me to resign from the ministry and sell insurance because I cannot rule my own house, let alone the house of God.
"The husband is the loving leader; the wife is the leading lover."
Farmer's Wife
New Member
Amen Pastor Bob!
We need more men like you, Maverick and the Farmer to boldly teach the saved men of this country exactly who is the head of the house according to the KJBible! Thanks to feminism 
, there are many...too many...effeminate men that are more afraid of the 'women's missionary society' than they are of GOD. Continue to cry aloud and spare not...Isaiah 58:1
[ August 31, 2002, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: Farmer's Wife ]
, there are many...too many...effeminate men that are more afraid of the 'women's missionary society' than they are of GOD. Continue to cry aloud and spare not...Isaiah 58:1
[ August 31, 2002, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: Farmer's Wife ]
Maverick-
Yes, Jesus Christ can correct the Church, impede the Church, forbid the Church, and chastise the Church.
He is Jesus Christ.
But a man, when he takes on the role of husband, is to relate to His wife in the spirit of Christ. The humble Servant. The loving Intercessor. The sacrifical Lamb. The One who gave up His entire being just to make the Church presentable to the Father.
But he does not take on Christ's role as Omnipotent God.
Let me give you an example. My father is the epitome of the Godly father and husband. Years ago, when I lived at home I knew that he was the one that God had placed in charge of the family's spiritual well-being and general protection.
He and my mother had and still to the day have a blessed relationship. Not perfect. But blessed nonetheless.
One Sunday when I was young, my dad was reading the paper in the kitchen and my mother came in. He looked at her dress that she had on for church. Even I knew that it was not appropriate. He simply said, "Hon, is that dress uncomfortable on you?? She said, "Is it too tight on me?" He said, "Yeah, it's a little too tight." She changed her dress before we left for church.
My father never once humiliated my mother. He never lorded over her with "forboding" and "chastisement". He never approached her as the "corrector". He never "impeded" her.
When they disagreed on things, and they did, they sat down and talked it out. Sometimes my mother was on the wrong track about something, but sometimes so was he. They prayed together quite often. Sometimes my mother compromised her position. Sometimes my dad did. Each "laid their card on the table" so to speak and sought God's guidance together.
Sometimes it took quite a few long conversations and pray sessions before they both came to a conclusion.
My dad was and still is a "man's man". He is quite definitely not wimpy nor sappy. He is masculine and quite "macho" through and through. And he didn't have to "rule over" my mother to be seen as a "real man".
He had to bring some issues to my mother's attention and lead her to see things in a different way. And sometimes the process reversed itself.
The concept of a man "ruling over" a woman is strict and severe punishment from God. (See Genesis) He allowed one gender to rise up and dominate the other while we are all here on this planet.
The concept of a husband "ruling over" his wife in the same spirit of the punishment found in Genesis is not Biblical.
A blessed and Godly husband is not a punishment. It is a gift from God to a woman.
The husbands humbly and lovingly leads and guides and protects. He does not "rule".
Peace-
YSIC
Scarlett O.
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Yes, Jesus Christ can correct the Church, impede the Church, forbid the Church, and chastise the Church.
He is Jesus Christ.
But a man, when he takes on the role of husband, is to relate to His wife in the spirit of Christ. The humble Servant. The loving Intercessor. The sacrifical Lamb. The One who gave up His entire being just to make the Church presentable to the Father.
But he does not take on Christ's role as Omnipotent God.
Let me give you an example. My father is the epitome of the Godly father and husband. Years ago, when I lived at home I knew that he was the one that God had placed in charge of the family's spiritual well-being and general protection.
He and my mother had and still to the day have a blessed relationship. Not perfect. But blessed nonetheless.
One Sunday when I was young, my dad was reading the paper in the kitchen and my mother came in. He looked at her dress that she had on for church. Even I knew that it was not appropriate. He simply said, "Hon, is that dress uncomfortable on you?? She said, "Is it too tight on me?" He said, "Yeah, it's a little too tight." She changed her dress before we left for church.
My father never once humiliated my mother. He never lorded over her with "forboding" and "chastisement". He never approached her as the "corrector". He never "impeded" her.
When they disagreed on things, and they did, they sat down and talked it out. Sometimes my mother was on the wrong track about something, but sometimes so was he. They prayed together quite often. Sometimes my mother compromised her position. Sometimes my dad did. Each "laid their card on the table" so to speak and sought God's guidance together.
Sometimes it took quite a few long conversations and pray sessions before they both came to a conclusion.
My dad was and still is a "man's man". He is quite definitely not wimpy nor sappy. He is masculine and quite "macho" through and through. And he didn't have to "rule over" my mother to be seen as a "real man".
He had to bring some issues to my mother's attention and lead her to see things in a different way. And sometimes the process reversed itself.
The concept of a man "ruling over" a woman is strict and severe punishment from God. (See Genesis) He allowed one gender to rise up and dominate the other while we are all here on this planet.
The concept of a husband "ruling over" his wife in the same spirit of the punishment found in Genesis is not Biblical.
A blessed and Godly husband is not a punishment. It is a gift from God to a woman.
The husbands humbly and lovingly leads and guides and protects. He does not "rule".
Peace-
YSIC
Scarlett O.
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Rev. Joshua
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The laws on unlawful arrest may vary from state to state, but I'm pretty sure you would be on the losing end of that action in any court in the country. You may consider yourself "king" but the law considers you equal partners.
On a different note, feminism - recognizing the equality of women - does not in any way make men effeminate. I'm a feminist and I was an Army paratrooper. I don't see the two as mutually exclusive (and neither did the women I went through Airborne school with).
Joshua