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Should God have compassion?

ascund

New Member
Greetings

What madness over a rhetorical question. In fact, it matters not how one answers it. God has already shown mercy to the whole world. For a common sense Bible reader, the Bible is true and the first part is human error. The gospel is freely offered to all.

The Bible teaches that Christ died for “sinners” (I Tim. 1:15 ; Rom 5:6-8). The word “sinner” nowhere means “church” or “the elect,” but simply all of lost mankind.

Additionally, there are three grand soteriological themes that indicate the universality of the atonement: First, “He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world” (1 John 2:2). John could have said, “for the world” or “for those who would believe,” but he said “the whole world.” A normal reading will lead us to the plain understanding of the all-inclusiveness of Christ’s death.

Second, “God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them” (2 Cor 5:19 ). Can it legitimately be asserted that “the world” means less than all humanity? Paul could have easily said “the elect” or “those who believe,” but the inspired text simply says “the world.”

Third, it was the OT sacrificial system that required blood alone for atonement. “When I see the blood I will pass over you” (Exod 12:13 ). “Blood makes atonement for the soul” (Lev 17:11 ). So, Jesus would say, “For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matt 26:28). In contrast to His blood being shed for many, 1 Tim 2:6 says that Christ “gave Himself a ransom for all” and the immediate context (1 Tim 2:1-6) qualifies the term “all.” It refers not to all the elect, but to “all men” (2:1) and “all who are in authority” (2:2), and indicates that God desires “all men to be saved” (2:4).

Lloyd
 

johnp.

New Member
Hello Lloyd.

God has already shown mercy to the whole world.
If so no one goes to Hell or mercy fails? Do some go to Hell? Yes. Then your statement is false. A conditional mercy? A 'do this or that and I will have mercy'? Is that what mercy can mean or should mercy be replaced with another word?
If God has had mercy on the world then the world is saved because it is by grace we have been saved, through faith--and this not from ourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Yea! Praise the Lord that He should care for me and mine. The world can go to Hell. "He is the LORD; let him do what is good in his eyes."


john.
 

Bro. James

Well-Known Member
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Greetings Johnp,

The bluntness of your English idiom is very effective.

God showed mercy on those He chose from the foundation of the world. We all deserve to go to Hell. God spared a remnant from even the most despicable. That is what Amazing Grace is all about--not of works, lest anyone could boast.

Selah,

Bro. James
 

ascund

New Member
Greetings John

You miss the second step. God has initiated the plan of redemption in that HIS mercy has been extended freely in form of a free pardon to the whole world.

The second step is ours. We can take it or leave.

You wrongly infer that God's universal free offer of pardon is an automatic ticket to heaven. YOu don't realize the depth of human depravity that willfully thumbs their noses at God's lavish gift.

Christ's atonement is fully expiatory. It isn't propitious until one claims it!
Lloyd
 

Bro. James

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The depth of human depravity--is exactly why man cannot make the correct choice regarding the atonement provided by Jesus. Man's "free will" is in bondage to his depraved nature. He knows not how to choose the good--without God providing the faith. That is sovereign grace.

Praise the Lord, He is faithful--even when we are not--nor indeed can we be.

Selah,

Bro. James
 

ascund

New Member
Greetings Calvinistic one!

I differ because Jesus commanded the simple act of faith in Him (John 6:29). Would He ask something not possible?

Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world (Col 2:13, I John 2:2). Would you convert this to just the elect?

Depravity is real but we can yet receive the gift of God's initiating love and mercy.

Lloyd
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
God poses the question --

Jonah 4
11"Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?"
Originally posted by ascund:

What madness over a rhetorical question. In fact, it matters not how one answers it.
Indeed - WHY should Calvinists pay any attention AT ALL to God's question!

Let that fall to Arminians who DO NOT allow themselves to 'gloss over the details of Jonah 4'.

Certainly we don't expect the desperate Calvinist to pay attention to what the text says and the Question God asks -- do we??

Surely NOT!!


Lloyd
The Bible teaches that Christ died for “sinners” (I Tim. 1:15 ; Rom 5:6-8).
Indeed it does. It also shows that God spared Nineveh in the days of Jonah.

But God's question is STILL A GOOD ONE -- believe it or not!!

SHOULD God NOT have done that?

SHOULD the reasons GOD GIVES for having mercy - BE ACCEPTABLE as REAL REASONS for having Mercy?

SHOULD God have mercy for the REASONS HE GIVES?

OR SHOULD He ONLY have mercy out of arbitrary sovereign fickle selection as the Calvinist would have it?

What SHOULD He do?

Here is THE QUESTION God asks of man - (notice that God IS SPEAKING to JONAH - much to Calvinist dismay).

AND here is the supporting argument GOD MAKES for WHY HE SHOULD have mercy..

Notice the "details" for the first time - instead of glossing over them -


Jonah 4
11"Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?"
No matter how many times that scripture is posted - I think Calvinist will need to "Gloss over" the details of what is said - and then flee from it.

Jonah 4
11"Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?"
 

ascund

New Member
Hey BobRyan

Keep your opponents straight. I'm not a Calvinist. I correct your HUGE self-righteous Arminian errors just like I do the tiny Calvinistic errors.

The question is rhetoric. God has mercy on the whole world whether or not Arminians can work it into their Christ-denying self-righteous system of work and death

or

whether or not the Calvinist can work it into their slightly errant God-uplifting system of life.

Q: What do you call BobRyans giving advice to A Calvinist?
A: An Arminian pursuing death trying to give advice to a Calvinist standing in eternal light.

Lloyd
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by ascund:

The Bible teaches that Christ died for “sinners” (I Tim. 1:15 ; Rom 5:6-8). The word “sinner” nowhere means “church” or “the elect,” but simply all of lost mankind.

Additionally, there are three grand soteriological themes that indicate the universality of the atonement: First, “He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world” (1 John 2:2).
Not as in "appeasement of an angry god" but "God who SO LOVED the WORLD - GAVE His Son" and as NIV shows in 1John 2:2 - as the "Atoning SACRIFICE" for our sins.

And as you emphasize "NOT for OUR sins only but fo the sins of the WHOLE WORLD".

Lloyd said
John could have said, “for the world” or “for those who would believe,” but he said “the whole world.” A normal reading will lead us to the plain understanding of the all-inclusiveness of Christ’s death.
True.

And this is where the Calvinist has a good point to make against Arminians. IF the Arminian rejects the proper Hebrew view of hilasmos in 1John 2 and Lev 16 and attempts to redefine it as "appeasement" then the pagan concept of the angry god being appeased is held up AND the text argues that this applies to the WHOLE WORLD. So appeasement is complete for the WHOLE WORLD.

Where then is the anger of the "ANGRY god"?? There is NONE left -- not for ANYONE!

So while you have done well to show the SCOPE as applying to the WHOLE WORLD - you ALSO open the door to the Calvinist argument for universalism by employing CALVINIST errors on "appeasement" as a substitute for the BIBLE concept of Lev 16 atonement where the ATONING SACRIFICE is not the end of the chapter.

So - you do a great job on showing that the scope is truly ALL mankind and ALL the world - but then you leave yourself wide open to the Calvinist's only REAL point here. IF they can get Arminians to fall down on the definition of Atonement and substitute in "appeasement" instead - they win the argument because you are left with "Calvinism OR universalism".

That is a good reason not to make that mistake.

(And you Calvinists thought I never listen).

In Christ,

Bob
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by ascund:

Keep your opponents straight. I'm not a Calvinist. I correct your HUGE self-righteous Arminian errors just like I do the tiny
That is some prime ranting Lloyd.

In Christ,

Bob
 

ascund

New Member
Hey BobRyan

It might be ranting to you. Those who find themselves opposing God customarily resort to diatribes, ego saving maneuvers, and vendettas.

The right way to respond to the truth is to REPENT of your Christ-denying human-centered self-righteous system of death and despair!

Put Jesus in the center of your theology.
Lloyd
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
The point of my previous post on universalism and your glaring error exposed to the arguments of Calvinism -- remains.

Your post above - that simply glosses over the problem and seeks to confine itself to "more ranting" does nothing to solve your problem.

Why do these objective aspects of debate and communication appear to be so illusive for you Lloyd?

This is one thread where you do have some good points to make - why do you fall off the wagon and lose objective focus so easily?

In Christ,

Bob
 

ascund

New Member
Hey BobRyan

Yes! I am better situated to discuss the Calvinistic error than you. Both Free Grace and Calvinists have much in common - especially a correct understanding of justification.

Justification is beyond you. You haven't yet responded to my 100% survey of the lexical evidences in the Bible concerning dikaioo.

Calvinists and FG are almost eye-to-eye.

You cannot talk with the Calvinist from your flaming pit of error. The Calvinist is most likely enroute to heaven.

When we consider a Christ-denying Arminian, we must ask careful questions. The gospel of Jesus Christ is so powerful that even Christ-denying Arminians can be saved. It is not a sure thing.

While I am "marginally" with you against Calvinism, I am "TOTALLY" against you at every major theological aspect.

Theology derives from the source of justification - the chief article by which the Church and an individual stands or falls.

That you can make good points here is a sideshow. No Arminian should be allowed here.

Lloyd
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
Once again Lloyd you opt for ranting and failing to observe the point under discussion. You seem to have lost the ability to even gloss over the point (as you normally do) -- no you avoid the point altogether.

What is up with that Lloyd? Are you losing it here?

Lets get back to the "actual point" for this thread - "again"

The question God asks JONAH is "SHOULD I not have compassion" .

Calvinists need to duck that and flee - since they can NOT argue that YES God SHOULD have compassion.

You want to make the the good point that the SCOPE of the Gospel SHOWS God to have compassion on ALL -- but then you fall of the cliff by insisting that God as NOT ONLY provided the ATONING SACRIFICE at the Cross (as NIV says) for the WHOLE WORLD- but ALSO God has fully ATONED for aLL the sins of the WHOLE WORLD at the Cross.

AS ALREADY POINTED OUT - this leaves you exposed to the Calvinist argument that you have just taken a leap off a cliff into Universalism.

The point remains Lloyd.

See how your ranting did not actually address EVEN ONE SINGLE point Lloyd?

Surely this is so blatantly obvious to you that you can see the problem here.

I am just trying to get you to come back to a point of reason and objectivity. To secure your own argument so it is not so exposed on the problem of ATONEMENT completed for the WHOLE WORLD.

Is any of this getting through Lloyd?

In Christ,

Bob
 

Jarthur001

Active Member
Hello..bob


Bob....
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Jonah 4
11"Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?"
James...
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Are you still on this bob? how many times must one answer this??? still waiting on your reply...still waiting on #3.


Lloyd.....
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What madness over a rhetorical question. In fact, it matters not how one answers it.
James....
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I agree Lloyd. Bob must be missing the point of the whole book.


Bob....
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Indeed - WHY should Calvinists pay any attention AT ALL to God's question!
James....
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Many have replied..and you over look it....and some how its the Calvinist. hummm

Bob.....
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Let that fall to Arminians who DO NOT allow themselves to 'gloss over the details of Jonah 4'
James...
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Humm. well i know one Arminian that ask for answers....and when he gets them...he glosses over them.


Bob.....
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Certainly we don't expect the desperate Calvinist to pay attention to what the text says and the Question God asks -- do we??

Surely NOT!!


James.....
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was there something in my post you did not understand? ask me and i'll try to explan again


Bob....
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SHOULD God NOT have done that?

James...
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yes


Bob....
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SHOULD the reasons GOD GIVES for having mercy - BE ACCEPTABLE as REAL REASONS for having Mercy?

James...
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I do many things wrong...but i never ask God why He saved someone. One good story that we all can relate to that happen just a few years ago.

Ted Bundy raped and killed many young ladies as if was a sport. He did this for years as you know. It surly could be true that some of those ladies were not saved. If this is true, it could also be true that Ted Bundy killed some before they had a chance to hear Gods word.

The last year of Ted Bundy's life he said he was born again. He did not ask for a stay...he just proclaimed God is Lord. Was he? I do not know. Only God knows his heart. Yet Ted could be in heaven and I will call him brother ted...if in fact he was saved. Is that fair that God would save ted...when it was ted that ended the life of young ladies before they could hear the gospel?

yes. God saves by grace...not works. None of us are that good. Sin nature places us in hell..not the how many sins we have. I have 2 sins on my account the world would call me a good person when held beside Ted Bundy. Yet both of us are just sinners. Just as Lloyd said...God saves sinners...and that means me and you.....and even Ted Bundy.

Bob...
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SHOULD God have mercy for the REASONS HE GIVES?
James....
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is this the 3rd time in the post you asked this? is this the 34th time you have asked this on this tread? what is the deal Bob? do you not like our reply? or...do you not understand? why keep asking? wait...i know..your auto cut and paste is in over drive and you don't know how to stop it....hehe

Bob......
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OR SHOULD He ONLY have mercy out of arbitrary sovereign fickle selection as the Calvinist would have it?
James.....
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God chooses in mercy..you have been told this many times. Cut and paste this..so you will not forget. As to this one city....it was Gods idea to send jonah..right? Why? again...it was mercy. romans 9 says this...it says it here...sounds like that is it.

Bob...
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What SHOULD He do?
James....
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make that 4 times in one post...and still no reply where we have addressed this. ???

Bob...
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Here is THE QUESTION God asks of man - (notice that God IS SPEAKING to JONAH - much to Calvinist dismay).
James....
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SOMEONE HELP BOB...he just can't stop.

bob...what is up with this? is this a joke?


Bob....
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AND here is the supporting argument GOD MAKES for WHY HE SHOULD have mercy..

Notice the "details" for the first time - instead of glossing over them -
James.....
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thats it....i'm sending in the doctor
 

johnp.

New Member
Hello Lloyd

You miss the second step. God has initiated the plan of redemption in that HIS mercy has been extended freely in form of a free pardon to the whole world.
The second step taken in God's mercy is a step accomplished in the absolute freedom of a child of God, the next step is not taken to get it man. :cool: It is taken because you have it.

You have a works based theology and you are right it is a work based faith we have. John 6:29 does indeed say we must believe and it does say this is a work. Carry on you will get far. As for me, this was a job my Adam acheived for me because it is by grace that I am saved. It is by grace not by works. Works will be the death of you. Better sit down and do nothing rather than face a judgement with any good works to your name that will be known as selfrighteousness.

Your second step is like that, selfrighteous. It is a selfrighteousness that denies Jesus the glory He sought on the cross, so you are at the nerve end of wrath. :cool: I'd ask Him to enlighten me if I was you which I know I'm not I know. :cool:

I warn you: It is by grace... Eph 2:8. Imputed I am.

The second step is ours. We can take it or leave.
You must ask yourself what kind of lover takes a nonchalant attitude towards it's objects of love, what love is it that says take it or leave it? My God died for me. Me He died for. Is that what you think love is? Take it or leave it? That's not your chat up line with the girls is it? :cool:

You wrongly infer that God's universal free offer of pardon is an automatic ticket to heaven.
You assume that it is a universal free offer. It's not universal but in your mind. It is not universal for it was not offered to Eli's house was it? God swore they would not have a sacrifice offered for them. No atonement for Eli's house was there? No chance for repentance is there for no sacrifice was offered. Limited Atonement proved conclusivly. End of story pal. :cool:

YOu don't realize the depth of human depravity that willfully thumbs their noses at God's lavish gift.
I don't realise the depth of human depravity? I'm a flipping Calvinist mate we major in guilt don't you know? HaHa! Full of depravity we are to be sure the more depraved the better we see Him who loved us in this state and gave His life for the dregs of the dregs.

I have always known myself. I can remember as a kid I had a pretty low estimate of myself which went lower by the year way into adulthood.
The drug scene help with me finding people like me who shared their lives with me but outside I still could not look up at the straights. Lowest of the low me.
After I became a Christian I found that the situation concerning myself and my own self image was confirmed far worse than my imagination took me. He told me that all men are as one in this world and for the first time in my life I found I could look others in the eye as equals.
From looking down to looking up came as I was told that He loved me more than He loved Himself and that He had been willing to die for me. It was Christ who loved me and gave himself for me not me for Him. The Highest of the High for the lowest of the low.

Christ's atonement is fully expiatory. It isn't propitious until one claims it!
Lloyd
The crux. Propitiation you mean? Propitiation doesn't become effective until one claims it is to my mind from the Devils deepest dark pit. :cool: You, O great and awsome Lloyd, cause the cross to become effective do you? :cool: If not for Lloyd the cross is usless? Regardless of what you think It does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy means exactly what it says and you have overcome this? Might be we have a god among us Lloyd? :cool: What's the deal man, feel good factor is it?

The right way to respond to the truth is to REPENT of your Christ-denying human-centered self-righteous system of death and despair!
And that is not possible for any of us to do unless God wills in us to do so. But then it just might be you can do what cannot be done?

Atoning sacrifice is fully efficienct in it's purpose. Jesus atoned for me, my propitiation: something that appeases or conciliates a deity : nothing else is needed but the death of Christ. Atonement is given by God to God on behalf of His elect only and that's tough cookies for many but not for me. I've cracked it I'm home and dry footed it across the Jordon man and entering into His rest I took my rest. The rest is up to Him, He does as He pleases. He is Sovereign. He had me on His mind while He had those nails through His Hands. It was the thought that one day He would see me with His own eyes that kept Him there. Take it or leave it yourself God willing has determined one of those for you. Be terrified.

john.
 

johnp.

New Member
James.

I'm working on a reply to you but I keep getting sidetracked cause it's fun. :cool: I think it's fine sport to spar with Bob as I don't have to think very much in ignoring his questions. :cool:

john.
 

Jarthur001

Active Member
John,

Take your time...no rush here.

...i'm off of here in a few..and will not be on tomorrow till late. Besides...who can over look a misleading post by Bob?


In Christ...James
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Jarthur001:
[QB] Hello..bob


Bob
Jonah 4

11"Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?"
James...
SHOWING that GOD is speaking TO Jonah and that the question asked INCLUDES the EVIDENCE IN FAVOR of mercy.

SHOWING that Mercy SHOULD be extended

SHOWING that the EVIDENCE in favor is NOT simply the tired-Calvinist-mantra that God is arbitrary powerful and fickle and can do as He pleases

SHOWING that Calvinists have YET to ANSWER the question God poses TO JONAH!

Are you still on this bob?
Have you brought yourself to answer God's question TO JONAH?

No?

Well then "yes" I am still waiting for that answer.


how many times must one answer this???
ONe will do.

God asks JONAH "SHOULD I NOT have MERCY on Nineveh"

So Calvinists - is IT

YES HE SHOULD"

OR is it
"NO He should NOT"

still waiting on your reply...


But then Lloyd asks why we pay any attention at all to the question that GOD ASKS Jonah in Jonah 4.

Bob notes

Indeed - WHY should Calvinists pay any attention AT ALL to God's question!
James....

Many have replied..
Well then either post a link to their ACTUALLY ANSWERING the question (not dodging it) or post it here for the first time.

Simple eh?

Not so - notice Jim posted nothing after that comment.

Bob speaking of paying ATTENTION to the details of Jonah 4


Let that fall to Arminians who DO NOT allow themselves to 'gloss over the details of Jonah 4'
BobRyan said *
Certainly we don't expect the desperate Calvinist to pay attention to what the text says and the Question God asks Jonah -- do we??

Surely NOT!!
James.....
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was there something in my post you did not understand? ask me and i'll try to explan again
Did you gloss over the question God ASKS Jonah (you know quote it and not its details)-- "yes".

Did you gloss over the EVIDENCE for God's conclusion to have mercy THAT HE GAVE in the quote of Jonah 4?? "YES"

Did you flee from the problem of WHY such evidence SHOULD enter into God's decision to HAVE MERCY?? "yes"

So by glossing over the details and fleeing from the inconvenient facts IN THE TEXT of Jonah 4 did you RUN from the problem or ANSWER the question?

You ran.

Bob asks if GOD made a mistake in ASKING Jonah the question AND IN INCLUDING the EVIDENCE FOR HIS decision to have MERCY as He DID in the TEXT --
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SHOULD God NOT have done that?
James...
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yes
Finally! AN ANSWER!

Calvinist think God was wrong in Jonah 4!

Indeed - Calvinism NEVER expresses its views of the MERCY of GOD in terms of "SHOULD" And in listing the number of ignorant people or the number of animals AS IF that has ANYTHING to do with the arbitrary methods Calvinism attributes to God.

Bob asks
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SHOULD the reasons GOD GIVES for having mercy - BE ACCEPTABLE as REAL REASONS for having Mercy?
James...
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I do many things wrong...but i never ask God why He saved someone.
GOD IS THE ONE ASKING.

You are the one saying that we should pay no attention to what He is asking.

(Actually Lloyd suggested that bad idea first).


Jim

Is that fair that God would save ted...
Is this YOU asking or GOD? It looks like YOUR question about WHETHER God should have mercy - did I miss something there?

Can we treat YOUR question about WHETHER God SHOULD have mercy on Ted as You have treated God's question?

Woud YOU accept that level of focus and respect about your own question above?

I am inclined to see it as a bad idea to treat anyone's question in that fashion.

Agreed?


In Christ,

Bob
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
Bob...
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SHOULD God have mercy for the REASONS HE GIVES?
A simple yes or no will do.

And then follow up with WHY you think God SHOULD have mercy for the reaons HE GIVES or why He SHOUOLD NOT give those reasons.

(This is obvious at any grade level)

James....
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is this the 3rd time in the post you asked this? is this the 34th time you have asked this on this tread?
I lost count. Calvinists find more ways to dodge the question than I found to repeat it.

If you are through counting instead of answering - would you now just say "yes or "no" and then give the reason?

Jim said

what is the deal Bob? do you not like our reply? or...do you not understand? why keep asking? wait...i know..your auto cut and paste is in over drive
Is that your way of NOT saying YES or NO "again"?


Bob......
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OR SHOULD He ONLY have mercy out of arbitrary sovereign fickle selection as the Calvinist would have it?
James.....
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God chooses in mercy..you have been told this many times. Cut and paste this..so you will not forget. As to this one city....it was Gods idea to send jonah..right? Why? again...it was mercy. romans 9 says this...it says it here...sounds like that is it.
Yes it was "a good idea" - but God did not ask "IS This a good idea" to Jonah did He?

HE said "SHOULD I NOT have mercy" And THEN HE gives a list of reasons WHY HE SHOULD?

Did you "gloss over those facts AGAIN" Jim?

How can you bring yourself to gloss over the text "so many times in a row" Jim?

How do you do it?


No I make the question REALLY REALLY SHORT to make it harder NOT to say "yes" or "no" and then give a REASON for your answer...

Bob said -.
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What SHOULD He do?
But James finds a shameless dodge "anyway"

James....
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make that 4 times in one post...and still no reply where we have addressed this. ???
CLAIMING to have ALREADY said "yes or no" without ACTUALLY SAYING yes or no - was a good one Jim!!

I had not thought of that dodge.

Your creativity stands up to the best of 'em on this one.

Bob...
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Here is THE QUESTION God asks of man - (notice that God IS SPEAKING to JONAH - much to Calvinist dismay).
This is the point where james deletes the text of Jonah 4 so that it won't be so obvious that the QUESTION GOD asks in Jonah 4 is about to be "ignored again" in yet "ANOTHER REPLY" that is DEVOID of a YES or NO to God's Question.

James....
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SOMEONE HELP BOB...he just can't stop.

bob...what is up with this? is this a joke?
See? you did it "again".

BTW - I was about to ask you the same question.

But then you would just get creative in NOT answering another question eh?

And of course in that post I gave the text of Jonah 4 "one more time" -- STILL WATING for a yes or no from Calvinists.

And we saw "once again" that the Calvinist response is to DELETE THE TEXT of Jonah 4 and talk about HOW MANY TIMES they have been asked to give an answer to the question GOD ASKS JONAH!

How sad that a defense of Calvinism must use such tactics.

In Christ,

Bob
 
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