Should God have compassion?

[BobRyan]

When God LISTS the REASONS why HE SHOULD have mercy - IN THE TEXT -- we see HIM give the following list.

#1. The number of people
#2. The ignorance of the people
#3. The fact of many animals in the city.

As Pastor Larry faithfully IGNORES GOD's words in Jonah 4 to make up his own version of what he WISHED God had said in Jonah 4 -- he seems to show no remorse for the unbiblical tactic

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/35/1586/11.html#000155

As we see in his post above where he "once again" glosses over the text and simply says what he wishes we could find IN THE TEXT of Jonah 4.

The problem for Larry's view AND ALL Calvinists who faithfully IGNORE the list given above - could not be more obvious.

So they try to "pretend" only an Arminian can SEE it!

Now that is funny. I can see whay Whatever is splitting his sides on this one.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Of course I have only posted that SAME point about a dozen times -- and my two posts HERE show me doing it "again"

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/35/1586/11.html#000162

Calvinists have been running and hiding from that list given above in the previous post -- the list of REASONS GOD GIVES for WHY HE SHOULD have had mercy on Nineveh.

They do it AS IF we can not see them ducking the list "repeatedly".

It just gives me the joy of posting that same text of scripture that they so need to flee.

In Christ,

bob

 

[BobRyan]

Originally posted by BobRyan:
Since the Calvinist "game" so far is to ignore the ACTUAL words IN The text -- while continually "telling stories" about what is NOT IN THE TEXT of Jonah 44...

I guess it is up to me to keep showing WHAT GOD Said -- because as it turns out the Arminian view is HAPPY to read it!!

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Jonah 4

9Then God said to Jonah, "Do you have good reason to be angry about the plant?" And he said, "I have good reason to be angry, even to death."
10Then the LORD said, "You had compassion on the plant for which you did not work and which you did not cause to grow, which came up overnight and perished overnight.

11"Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?"

Did you see "THE BOLD TYPE" yet?

It is BIG AND BOLD so I am sure the Arminans are gettin' it.

But still - no Calvinists brave enough to mention the REASONS GOD GIVES for why HE SHOULD have MERCY on the wicked city...

hmmmm -- wonder what that AVOIDANCE of God's Word indicates for Calivinism??

Any guesses?
</font>[/QUOTE]Here is a little "hint" for Calvinists to help them focus on the question being asked - and unanswered so far ...

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/35/1586/13.html#000180

 

[whatever]

Baaaaaaaa

 

[BobRyan]

I had hoped that Calvinist would find a more graceful way to fail

 

[whatever]

Your hope should be in God, not in man. Baaaaaaa

 

[BobRyan]

Nice twisting of the point "again".

What about not dodging the scripture any more and getting back on track.

Or are you married to those one syllable posts?

 

[johnp.]

I thought 'Baaaaaaa' was more than one syllable?

john.

 

[BobRyan]

Depends on how shakey you are saying aaaa

 

[whatever]

"Be not rash with your mouth, nor let your heart be hasty to utter a word before God, for God is in heaven and you are on earth. Therefore let your words be few."

 

[Pastor Larry]

You continue to be dishonest Bob. I have pointed out the biblical reason, using God's words to show it. Your tactics are shameful and you should refrain from further posting until such time as you determine to be honest and truthful.

Your reasons given at the top of this page are not reasons the text gives. They are in the text, but if you read it honestly, you will see that it is simply a description of the city. That is not the reason God showed mercy, or the reason why he "should" show mercy. If you were right, then God "should" have shown mercy on every similar city. But he did not. In fact, Christ said to first Jews that if the same miracle had been doen in Tyre and Sidon they would have repented. But those miracles weren't done there (which indicates that God must not have truly desired their repentance since he didn't do everything he could have done to secure it). All of this illustrates the point that the text of Jonah 4 makes ... God is not beholden to do anything. He can do what he wants with his creation, because he created it. That reason is found in v.10, as I pointed out and is the answer to your question as I pointed out on page 4 (I believe). If you want a link to it, then click on the little number 4 at the bottom or top of the page.

You have spoken out of ignorance for the text. You are treating "should" as if it were obligatory. It is not. It is a rhetorical question designed to highlight Jonah's sinful attitude towards God's compassion on the Ninevites.

Bob, you need to change your tactics. They are unacceptable. You don't have to like my answer, or the one that the text gives. It is wrong for you to pretend like I didn't give them, and then accuse me of being unbiblical. It is shameful for you to use these tactics.

 

[BobRyan]

Pastor Larry,
I posted the links to my questions and even TO YOUR supposed answers -- SHOWING that in fact you did NOT address the LIST (I even number that list) that GOD GIVES in HIS point to Jonah about WHY HE SHOULD have MERCY on the wicked city.

Now in your response - you still can not bring yourself to even quote the offending text of Jonah 4 OR to DEAL with the language of the point GOD IS MAKING in the text. (i.e. you refuse to exegete anything). You are simply stating "what you WISH you had read".

Notice how you seek a nonsensical solution where God DOES NOT connect HIS answer to actual REASONS - rather what He gives as REASONS are to be "reworked" into "incidental descriptions about the city having nothing to do with the subject at hand".

Pastor Larry said

reasons given at the top of this page are not reasons the text gives.
They ARE IN in the text, but if you read it honestly, you will see that it is simply a description of the city.

I can't belive you are going to these extremes Pastor Larry --

Wait a minute! On second thought. I guess "I can" believe that.

I just don't know why you do it - so often.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Once again - the oft-quoted offending text --

Originally posted by BobRyan:
Since the Calvinist "game" so far is to ignore the ACTUAL words IN The text -- while continually "telling stories" about what is NOT IN THE TEXT of Jonah 44...

I guess it is up to me to keep showing WHAT GOD Said -- because as it turns out the Arminian view is HAPPY to read it!!

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Jonah 4

9Then God said to Jonah, "Do you have good reason to be angry about the plant?" And he said, "I have good reason to be angry, even to death."
10Then the LORD said, "You had compassion on the plant for which you did not work and which you did not cause to grow, which came up overnight and perished overnight.

11"Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?"

</font>[/QUOTE]Notice that IN THE WORDING the question INCLUDES the REASONS for the implied ANSWER of YES!

THE LANGUAGE USED - shows this to be the case.

God is not simply incoherently rambling on in the middle of his question about some unconnected attributes of Nineveh.

(AS Calvinism had hoped).

In Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Pastor Larry would have us "believe" God was simply helping Jonah know WHICH city - Nineveh IS by telling him something about the city.

OR maybe God was just inserting a social studies lesson in the middle of his point about the fact that HE SHOULD have MERCY on the city - not really trying to CONNECT THAT LIST of reasons to his actual WORDS at the time!!

I just find it soooo hard to believe that Calvinists will go to "any extreme" when it comes to an illogical defense of Calvinism.

And yet time after time - I am shown that they will do it "gladly".

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Pastor Larry]

Bob, you are continuing to be dishonest, and I renew my call for you to cease participation in this forum until such time as you repent.

I answered your question with the answer the text gives. The fact that you didn't like it is your problem. But do not continue to be dishonest and say that I didn't give an answer.

It is hard to imagine why you think saying what the text says is "extreme." But if so, then I will gladly be extreme. God was right when he said it, and he certainly doesn't need my defense.

 

[Jarthur001]

Originally posted by BobRyan:

Originally posted by BobRyan:
Since the Calvinist "game" so far is to ignore the ACTUAL words IN The text -- while continually "telling stories" about what is NOT IN THE TEXT of Jonah 44...
[/QB]

Bob,


You have reached a all time new low. In your own post you admit you "overlooked" my reply and went on to post 3-4 pages of silly nothings. Now I...checking back after a few days...see you are still ranting about others not replying.

As i have done before when you get this way...i close my debate on this tread with this post. I do not mind a debate, but you are just being either silly or dishonest and will not debate. As always...this gives you the last word, so make sure you point out how no one answers you deep, Calvin puzzling, questions, but rather dodges them. But all one needs to do is read the whole tread to see your game.


In Christ...James

 

[BobRyan]

#1. I keep emphasizing that the LIST -- the NUMBERED LIST - the ACTUAL WORDS - that God speaks in Jonah 4 - are UNSAYABLE (so far) by the Calvinist as they creatively think of ways to REFUSE to exegete HIS words in Jonah 4 where HE provides a coherent argument for Why HE SHOULD have mercy.

This has gone on - UNCHALLENGED by Calvinists - for soooo long on this thread that I am amazed Calvinists can "continue to pretend" not to see it.

#2. ALL ANY Calvinist had to do was QUOTE GOD's WORD in Jonah 4 (you know THE SUBJECT of this thread) when it came to that LIST GOD GAVE and then explain HOW it fits Calvinism.

They Have not!!

(And though they respond with lots of whining - it is without ONE SINGLE LINK to them EVER quoting those words from Jonah 4 and then SHOWING how they fit Calvinism)!!!!

#3. What we DO see so far is "lots" of whining, lots of accusations and condemning, lots of insults but NO actual response TO the LIST GOD GIVES -- to the LIST I NUMBERED -- to the many challenges for them to step up to the plate!!

#4. BY CONTRAST I have quoted that LIST repeatedly.

By CONTRAST I have shown how that list PERFECTLY FITS Arminianism.

By CONTRAST I have repeatedly CHALLENGED Calvinists to do likewise for Calvinism AND THAT LIST.

This is the 14th page -- FIND THEM DOING IT EVEN ONCE - in the past 13 pages.

This is the SECOND IRREFUTABLE CHALLENGE that will go UNANSWERED in this thread.


How can you guys live with such Calvinist dodge tactics??

I never thought I would see you doing this.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[whatever]

Dear Bob,

I suppose no one should be surprised that you cannot interpret the Bible, since you cannot understand what we say to you. We have gently and repeatedly pointed out your misunderstandings and misrepresentations from Jonah 4. This is not a dodge, this is the only valid response that we can give. You should appreciate our efforts on your behalf but instead you respond to our responses by continually maligning and demonizing us. Honestly, this is exactly what I have come to expect, but it is still disappointing.

Your friend,

whatever

 

[BobRyan]

That was the "link" to prove the claims that have been made here by Calvinists - that I was expecting to see posted to that "second unanaswerable challenge" I just posted above.

That kind of ad hominem response is pretty typical. It ingores that actual point being reaise. It ignores the glaringly obvious point - that though you and other Calvinists have "claimed" that the response to the "LIST GOD GIVES" is here - fully embraced, quoted and not simply feared, - the LIST God gives IN HIS word exegeted and not glossed over -- yet you can not point to even one single link on this thread SHOWING a careful - cogent post OF that list IN context exegeting it.

By "contrast" I am free to quote the list repeatedly and to exegete that text all day long - as each Calvinist fears it.

So why in the world does it satisfy you to simply insult "instead" of doing something substantive?

Why not engage in intelligent, objective, useful response rather than continually dodge the "inconvenient facts".

A simple link would have SHOWN your sincerity - if you had the link.

Clearly you did not.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Since I don't like to go more than 4 or 5 posts without quoting the SOURCE text of the OP that includes the LIST that Calvinists can not bring themselves to quote OR exegete -- (and SINCE I as an Arminian am FREE to quote this text without fear)

Originally posted by BobRyan:
Since the Calvinist "game" so far is to ignore the ACTUAL words IN The text -- while continually "telling stories" about what is NOT IN THE TEXT of Jonah 44...

I guess it is up to me to keep showing WHAT GOD Said -- because as it turns out the Arminian view is HAPPY to read it!!

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Jonah 4

9Then God said to Jonah, "Do you have good reason to be angry about the plant?" And he said, "I have good reason to be angry, even to death."
10Then the LORD said, "You had compassion on the plant for which you did not work and which you did not cause to grow, which came up overnight and perished overnight.

11"Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?"

Did you see "THE BOLD TYPE" yet?

It is BIG AND BOLD so I am sure the Arminans are gettin' it.

But still - no Calvinists brave enough to mention the REASONS GOD GIVES for why HE SHOULD have MERCY on the wicked city...

hmmmm -- wonder what that AVOIDANCE of God's Word indicates for Calivinism??

Any guesses?
</font>[/QUOTE]Here is a little "hint" for Calvinists to help them focus on the question being asked - and unanswered so far ...

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/35/1586/13.html#000180 [/QUOTE]