Should I ask forgiveness or CONFRONT this person???

[Earth Wind and Fire]

This entire thread was biased from the beginning.

Then close it!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I may not fully agree with Limited Atonement,.

Ahhhh, now it begins

 

[preacher4truth]

Winman has done nothing wrong. The line was crossed in the OP, right at the first post:

Sure, and winman crossed it as well.

It is just as true many of whom come from the reformed churches.
There is no need to broad-brush an entire movement right from the very beginning just because you are sitting on the other side of the fence.
This entire thread was biased from the beginning.

Broad brushing is wrong, yet you just did it yourself. You tolerate winmans slander of a false Gospel accusation, yet you say it is wrong for evangelist6589 to do the same. It's wrong for both, and your bias is inane. We get it. It's who it is from and whom it is toward that makes it wrong or right. If toward your camp it is wrong, if toward reformed, it is OK and commended, there is nothing wrong with it and it is defended tolerable behavior on BB.

 

[evangelist6589]

Then close it!

They may if they desire since I have made the decision not to contact the person. I tried doing things in love twice but they failed. This message was my first attempt.

Dear xxxx,

I have been under conviction as of late due to hearing some sermons and reading 2 books by Erwin Lutzer. I have thought about others I have wronged/sinned against and you are the number #1 person on the list of people I have wronged.

Please forgive me. I am thankful that He has revealed to me how I have not lived that out. I am praying for you and I wish you continued growth in Christ Jesus.

Your brother, John.

 

[evangelist6589]

Sure, and winman crossed it as well.



Broad brushing is wrong, yet you just did it yourself. You tolerate winmans slander of a false Gospel accusation, yet you say it is wrong for evangelist6589 to do the same. It's wrong for both, and your bias is inane. We get it. It's who it is from and whom it is toward that makes it wrong or right. If toward your camp it is wrong, if toward reformed, it is OK and commended, there is nothing wrong with it and it is defended tolerable behavior on BB.

I apologize for I made a mistake in misrepresenting the IFB movement for there are many saved believers that I speak with regularly in those churches. We disagree on Calvinism and evangelism methods, but we agree on the essentials of the faith.

 

[preacher4truth]

I apologize for I made a mistake in misrepresenting the IFB movement for there are many saved believers that I speak with regularly in those churches.

That's appreciated and good and at the least you are capable of apologizing. The defense of the other is what concerns others and myself. I do however reject easy believism no matter who preaches it.

We disagree on Calvinism and evangelism methods, but we agree on the essentials of the faith.

You may agree with that but it is obvious others don't look back you or others with the same grace.

 

[DHK]

Sure, and winman crossed it as well.

Broad brushing is wrong, yet you just did it yourself. You tolerate winmans slander of a false Gospel accusation, yet you say it is wrong for evangelist6589 to do the same. It's wrong for both, and your bias is inane. We get it. It's who it is from and whom it is toward that makes it wrong or right. If toward your camp it is wrong, if toward reformed, it is OK and commended, there is nothing wrong with it and it is defended tolerable behavior on BB.

First two wrongs don't make a right.
Second, I tolerate what Winman said as perfectly legitimate.
If I post certain of my soteriological views you would be no less crass in your judgmental views and then cry foul if you were given an infraction for it. If you want me to go through posts and edit, delete, and give infractions, it could possibly be done, but I really don't have the time for it. I don't think you would want me to do it anyway, since you are one of the greater offenders in this area.
Winman is a bit outspoken.
He certainly isn't the only one, is he?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

First two wrongs don't make a right.
Second, I tolerate what Winman said as perfectly legitimate.
If I post certain of my soteriological views you would be no less crass in your judgmental views and then cry foul if you were given an infraction for it. If you want me to go through posts and edit, delete, and give infractions, it could possibly be done, but I really don't have the time for it. I don't think you would want me to do it anyway, since you are one of the greater offenders in this area.
Winman is a bit outspoken.
He certainly isn't the only one, is he?

"A bit outspoken " ?????!!!!!!! :laugh: can you say, "understatement " :laugh:

 

[preacher4truth]

First two wrongs don't make a right.

Ya think? And neither do three wrongs make a right.

But this simply proves winman wrong.

Second, I tolerate what Winman said as perfectly legitimate.

Of course you do. We all know this. It's the same behavior you repudiated in evangelist6589, but since winman does it toward the reformed, it's all of a sudden allowable.

That said I then tolerate what evangelist said in the same manner. Perfectly legitimate and accurate.

If I post certain of my soteriological views you would be no less crass in your judgmental views and then cry foul if you were given an infraction for it.

Hypothesis. No less crass than whom, you, winman or evangelist 6589? I don't pay attention to your theological errors, it's not of great or even trivial importance to me. I don't have time to correct you and couldn't care less to be honest. I'm just simply calling you on your bias here.

If you want me to go through posts and edit, delete, and give infractions, it could possibly be done, but I really don't have the time for it.

That has nothing to do with your bias in this thread or this issue.

I don't think you would want me to do it anyway, since you are one of the greater offenders in this area.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK! :laugh:

Winman is a bit outspoken.
He certainly isn't the only one, is he?

Evangelist 6589 is a bit outspoken as well. What winman said was slanderous broad-brushing, a thing you said was wrong until it came from your camp toward 'another' then it was OK and you defended it.

 

[DHK]

Obviously all broad-brushing and broad or wide generalizations are wrong.
Now, that you have all had your say, can we all go back to the OP, and not derail this thread.
Any posts that attempt to derail the thread will be deleted.

 

[evangelist6589]

That's appreciated and good and at the least you are capable of apologizing. The defense of the other is what concerns others and myself. I do however reject easy believism no matter who preaches it.



You may agree with that but it is obvious others don't look back you or others with the same grace.

Which is why by my life and actions I am showing them that Reformed have more grace, more interest in doctrine, and are not a divisive as them.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I tried that approach twice, but got nothing in return.

I understood that from your OP. But your responsibility is to reach out in love over and over and over and over, etc. His response is not your responsibility.

Remember Peter's conversation with Christ about forgiveness?

Matther 18:21 At that point Peter got up the nerve to ask, “Master, how many times do I forgive a brother or sister who hurts me? Seven?”

22 Jesus replied, “Seven! Hardly. Try seventy times seven.

 

[Amy.G]

Which is why by my life and actions I am showing them that Reformed have more grace, more interest in doctrine, and are not a divisive as them.

Yes, that's very humble.

 

[evangelist6589]

Ya think? And neither do three wrongs make a right.

But this simply proves winman wrong.



Of course you do. We all know this. It's the same behavior you repudiated in evangelist6589, but since winman does it toward the reformed, it's all of a sudden allowable.

That said I then tolerate what evangelist said in the same manner. Perfectly legitimate and accurate.



Hypothesis. No less crass than whom, you, winman or evangelist 6589? I don't pay attention to your theological errors, it's not of great or even trivial importance to me. I don't have time to correct you and couldn't care less to be honest. I'm just simply calling you on your bias here.



That has nothing to do with your bias in this thread or this issue.



LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK! :laugh:



Evangelist 6589 is a bit outspoken as well. What winman said was slanderous broad-brushing, a thing you said was wrong until it came from your camp toward 'another' then it was OK and you defended it.

I am thankful I am like this, because it helps me do open air preaching, confront others on the streets about their need to get right with God, it helps me confront churches, send emails to people, and even confront leadership in ministries whom are clearly wrong as I did yesterday. But as usual they ignored me because they were silenced. But I warned them that they are DOING NOTHING TO THE ADVANCE OF THE GOSPEL, and in effect are sending people to Hell by being nice to them!!!!!!!!!! They do not preach the gospel nor confront sin. They ticked me off and at best their tactic was to ignore what I said and the scriptures I used. I tried to send my message in grace, but it made no effect on their blindness. But I tell you that if you do not preach the gospel nor preach on sin in any Nursing Home ministry you are DISOBEYING GOD.

 

[Amy.G]

I understood that from your OP. But your responsibility is to reach out in love over and over and over and over, etc.

Where are we taught to reach out over and over and over..ect? If we have asked forgiveness, we have obeyed God. Anything more is badgering.

 

[preacher4truth]

A certain person whom I had a major disagreement and separation with some years ago, and whom I sent an apology for my part of the division and have made attempts to reconcile but to stone cold silence in return. Should I attempt one more time? The last attempt was a year ago.

It's good you have a heart to reconcile. Pray it over. Some people are unappeasable, but don't force it, dwell on it, or stalk him over it.

Or perhaps I should warn this person about being a possible false convert.

That's above yours and everyone else's pay grade as far as if you are accusing this. What makes you think he's a false convert? Is it due to him not reconciling with you?

Many whom come from the IFB movement are as such as they have said the sinners prayer, and grew up in "easy-believism" type churches and grew up in "culture christianity"

I too am against the easy-believism nonsense, and a preacher popishly declaring one who said a sinners prayer is now on his way to Heaven.

whom are in fact false converts pretending to be true believers. Perhaps this may explain why this person and others of this ilk do not forgive nor seek to reconcile with others.

This happens often in churches. Christ will sort it all out, do your part and learn to let things go.

What should I do? Recently I made peace with a brother whom I had a major disagreement and separation many years ago. This brother has moved to Reformed Theology and has understand his part in the separation and has moved away from the false Christianity that plagues the Arminianism movement.

That's a good move for him, now he is growing in the faith.

 

[evangelist6589]

I understood that from your OP. But your responsibility is to reach out in love over and over and over and over, etc. His response is not your responsibility.

Remember Peter's conversation with Christ about forgiveness?

So you suggest I contact this person a third time?

 

[preacher4truth]

Where are we taught to reach out over and over and over..ect? If we have asked forgiveness, we have obeyed God. Anything more is badgering.

Exactly. They don't need obsessively stalked over it at every turn.

 

[evangelist6589]

Exactly. They don't need obsessively stalked over it at every turn.

Yes James MacDonald may have been wrong. I tried to reconcile twice with this person and no response in return. MacDonald said to continue to make attempts but that may be wrong. This person may be embarrassed or is still indifferent and dislikes me. My first attempt to reconcile in 2010 me and a pastor had a chat, but this person did not want me showing up at their church or anything. The level of bitterness and dislike towards me was very inappropriate.

 

[preacher4truth]

Yes James MacDonald may have been wrong. I tried to reconcile twice with this person and no response in return. MacDonald said to continue to make attempts but that may be wrong. This person may be embarrassed or is still indifferent and dislikes me. My first attempt to reconcile in 2010 me and a pastor had a chat, but this person did not want me showing up at their church or anything. The level of bitterness and dislike towards me was very inappropriate.

Well, we have Scripture to go by. We know what to do if they don't reconcile as a last resort. I'd be very cautious to write them off, and very cautious about stalking over it and be thought of as such. Just keep it in your prayers, let God do it and don't force His hand. You've done your part.