Should Israel negotiate with Hezbollah?

kinda reminds me of Masada. yeah, why wld people kill themselves? r u quite sure animals don't defy their survival instincts when backed up against a wall? yet James 3:9 (Gen 9:6, too) is instructive:

even after the Fall, the Bible seems to reckon people (incl Palestinians, presumably) to be created in God's image.

but i wonder where all this seething bloodlust n ethnic hatred is coming from? cld it be that u guys have been reading only on side of the literature? i mean, it doesn't take the learning of Arabic or reading Hezbollah literature (not that i've read them, but one can imagine) to see a different reporting of the news, no?

for starters, how'bout this one i just came across, fr the UK: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article1202850.ece

sure, go ahead n keep caging up those people (or something beneath "animals"), n finally nuke'm into oblivion.

but even then, the story's not over ... fr a Baptist POV.

 

This will not be Popular but the short answer is "Yes"

Israel must negotiate through strength I will lay out what it will take for them to do so.

1. Occupy Lebanon to the Litani River and lessen the bombing campaign or
only bomb when troops on the ground can zero it in for the F-16's. The bombing campaign is going horrible for Israel in the court of world opinion.
Israel seems to be off its game in getting the troops up their and mobilized they have lost precious time but still they must occupy Lebanon to the Litani River.
2. After that is accomplished and Hezbollah is skillfully rooted out after much sacrifice(Israel will pay the cost) then they must negotiate through
strength.
3.Negotiate with the democratically elected Hezbollah members in Lebanon for a prisoner exchange and ceasefire with the condition and this is the big kicker ...they will leave Southern Lebanon only when their is an international force in place and that Southern Lebanon is a no missile/rocket zone with the integration of a built up and supported Lebanese army and security forces(countries train a non-Hezbollah Lebanese security force to take over once nato or some other Internation force transition out)
4. This needs to happen International community makes promise and low interest loans to rebuild Lebanon from infrastructure to the massive oil spill that has happened.

so yes somewhere down the line Israel must negotiate with Lebanese Hezbollah faction that is part of democratically elected Lebanon.


The hard choices from the international community and the Untied States is the only Super Power in the world(although less so than 6 years ago) they must take the lead in rebuilding Lebanon with leverage on the Saudis to come up with money...the hard choice is for the international community to be in Southern Lebanon but I see that as a can do! but it is a deal breaker if the United States does and take the lead and they must have Israel on board and it seems that they are...and Hezbollah will have a weakened position once Israel takes them on by taking land up to the Litani River in hand to hand fighting which will cost lots of lives.(more so military and less civilian)

but is time running out! perhaps like I said it seems that Israel is off her game and the United States has little diplomacy with all parties involved which is a shame ..we used to have that skill but that is another topic.

Having been to the Israel/Lebanese border via the Golan Heights I could see an Internation referee in that region ..It worked in Sinai and it can work in southern Lebanon ...the other choices are escalation and disentigration.

Israel is united and in the States it is a bipartisan support for her but she must be quick and dimminish the horrible bombing campaign.

but at the end of the day the United States and Israel should talk to all parties... if that means Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah so be it.

Bush may not like Hamas or Hezbollah but he is the one who said after the
WMD debacle in Iraq the new reason was for Democracy in the region well guess what George ..Hamas and Hezbollah has won power in the democratic process we may not like it...but that's bushs latest reason to be involved over there.


Imho as always
Aslanspal

 

I never realized that at Masada people blew themselves up with bombs loaded with shrapnel. Thanks for pointing that out. Are we rewriting history now?

 

The reason they are not mobilizing more troops into the North is that they believe Syria will come from behind into Israel and lauch yet a third front from behind. It's good military strategy to not mobilize all their troops to the north.

 

I've never seen an article in the independent that was pro-Israel or pro-America.

We used to fight a war to win. If CNN and the Independent had been reporting on civilian casualties in WW2, we would have lost and you would be speaking German now.

BTW, your and constant use of abbreviations, like "ur" and "u r" reminds me of how the Arabs and teenagers post on their message boards. It's annoying.

 

You know things are going badly when the chief neocon in the media, Bill Kristol, states that Hezbollah will win this war. This is an asymmetric war where a Hezbollah member can be a civilian one moment, ten minutes later go out and launch a rocket, and then go back into his home with his wife and children.

This leads to what happened at Qana today.

Israel's only hope to salvage victory is to cut back on the bombing campaign and send in the ground force in large numbers and root out Hezbollah. This will obviously lead to more deaths of Israeli soldiers but I see no other way for Israel to succeed in destroying Hezbollah and to avoid a return to the status quo ante.

 

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I don't think I said all,but overwhelming force to march to the Latani River
as for Syria they will not attack or sneak attack or even get away with a
sneak attack...check your maps LE...for Syria to do what you say it would be a major escalation...and guess who is in the vice...that's right Syria because it means the United States would throw its weight behind Israel if they were a "so called sneak attack" ...will not happen Assad is no mad man when he already has a proxy to do the fighting.

I think it is getting to the point both sides want to di escalate but again
Israel would be in a better position if they were at the Litani river.imho

Today was a bad day for Israel with all the children dieing in the latest bombing and Condi getting a big fat No! because the Lebanese are upset.

The way I see it Israel needs an effective ground march to the Litani river
and it will not be easy ..in fact it will be bloody but it means military against militia and a lot less civilian harm. imho

People are saying Israel may only have 10 days to really accomplish defeat of the Hezbollah militia in southern Lebanon after today it may be less but they need to move and move fast.

Again it is not easy in fact its hard...1. Isreal controls Lebanon to the Litani River 2. Cease fire 3. Exchange of prisoners(guess what it has happened before so don't pretend it has not}4.International force put together 5. Strengthening of Lebanon and its Security Forces non-Hezbollah plus monetary help from the world community especially oil rich
Saudi Arabia.

This is how Israel wins in the trade off for those who do not want to move off of any position...Southern Lebanon is rocket/missile/Hezbollah free and its citizens can go back to some semblance of freedom of movement which they deserve.

imho

btw good debate but I want solutions and what can be negotiated and btw I have got Israel negotiating in strength.

 

Should Israel negotiate with the terrorists...hmm should I offer a cookie to a kid disturbing my home?
No.
Israel has put up with more baloney in the name of peace than any other nation, I am glad to see them finally drawing the line in the sand and defending themselves.
IF the innocent in the war zones want out, they need to turn in the terrorists. Quit letting them use their women and kids as shields. No one has more power than the people do once they have had enough and decide to get rid of the trouble makers among them. Israel did not start this fight, but I hope to heaven they finish it, and do it right this time, wipe out hamas, hb and the rest of their ilk, and I hope if they as us for help, we stand tall by their side and give them what they need to get the job done.

 

This shows an unprecedented amount of ignorance regarding Middle East history and current politics. It also ignores these facts:

• Israel has made land concessions, and the militant arabs have not kept their promises (surprise).
• A primary reason for existence of the extreme muslim groups is the eradication of Israel (especially Hamas, but also Hezbollah). These folks won't step down...they must be eliminated, and Israel looks like they're going to do it.
• Militant Islamism does not recongize promises made. They also ignore olive branches and good faith gestures. These organizations are like fire ants. There is no negotiating. If they're in your yard, you must either run them out, or get ready for an infestation.

As to individual musim extremists, I hope that each will trust in Christ and become a child of God. But as to the organizations, exterminate them.

FISH...a favor. Make your posts a bit more legible by cutting down on the abbreviations.

 

what u see is ignorance. yet i don't see any recognition (or even awareness) of the other side of the coin. what does seem apparent, fr most of the respondents so far, is groupthink. "these facts" appear to represent only one side of the news, n i'm suggesting that it might not be all that detrimental to read both (or all) sides of it.

that's the analogy fr one side. have u heard that of the other side? or is there no other side of the news?

why shd there be such a viewpoint? just kidding, but hey, glad that u do read the other side of the news as well. of course, there's also jpost.com vs haaretz.com. yeah, take a look at the different sides n come to a conclusion that's based on as much evidence as available. :thumbs:

 

Hey, Forever, could you do us all a favor and spell like an adult in your posts instead of like a teenager using an instant messaging service?

 

sure, maybe when u start thinking like a grownup, k? :love2:

 

I have heard the other side as well. So i should offer a cookie to a kid who says my family needs to be removed from the earth because they worship and act differently than they do and declares that as soon as they are able they will make good on it?
Still no, bad behavior should NEVER be rewarded.
Any decent parent will tell you that. Reward a toddler who is having a fit and what happens, silence until they don't get their way next time. Stomping your feet and making demands needs a swat, not a reward.
In THIS fight, Israel was home minding its own business, when some one else came in the door and took some of her people. Usually Israel shows restraint, talks, and gives in to the demands, and what happens? Peace for oh a week or so, then it happens again.
Terrorists are not honorable, you give them one thing they take it and demand more. We have seen it over and over again.

 

I think grown up enough to know better than to support terrorist organizations or attempt to excuse their actions.

 

speaking of toddlers, this happened 10 yrs ago ...



http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupation/robert_fisk_qana.html

or was it some life-form beneath that of animals?

just yesterday, the same town sustained a similar hit, this time w at least 56 fatalities: http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/israeli-air-strikes-suspended/2006/07/31/1154198039178.html

bad, bad behaviour, that's right! :tear:

y wld anyone wanna excuse terrorism in any way shape or form? did u even read the earlier posts on this thread? who's supporting all the acts of violence?

 

Until you stop posting in a gobbledy-gook format, Forever, I am ignoring your posts.

 

go ahead n ignore them, it's ok!

i guess anyone who disagrees w groupthink must be Hezbollah or ignorant, like this (presumably) Jewish viewpt:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/744061.html

 

glad to see u recognise a tragedy; some forummers wld equate the picture w that of a dead chicken (if that doesn't insult the animal itself). that's a step up, n credit to whom credit! :thumbs:

no, no one's defending terrorists on either side of the cage. i'm not for celebrating in the streets either, whether it's over a blown-up bus stop or shatilla. what i'm asking for is for some modicum of even-handedness.

sure, keeping in touch w reality involves standing in the shoes of a Tel Aviv resident wondering why his or her quality of life has been affected, mindlessly affected, in not being able to enjoy a daily cuppa peacefully at the corner. but does reality also incl the POV of a Gaza refugee-camp resident whose entire life has been entertained by collective punishments, whether by curfews or roadblocks or rockets or helicopters or simply the switching off of water or electricity?

or does checking out both sides make someone a secret card-carrying Hezbollahnik?

i guess if something as simple as checking out both sides of the cage is something too difficult to stomach for some here, i shd leave it at that! :saint: