Should Moussaoui get life or the death sentence?

I think he should get life. I don't think he's really said everything he knows and I don't all of this to be swept under the carpet.

 

I think he should get death. I also don't think he's really said all he knows. But neither do I think he ever will and I don't want to see his ugly face on all the prime time news shows for the next 40 years or so mocking the families of the victims of 9-11 like we have seen folks like Charles Manson do from time to time. He wants martyrdom. I say give it to him.

Joseph Botwinick

 

'Thou shalt not kill."

only God's got the right to kill people... that's if they've sinned against Him. righteous judgement from God above.

we do not have the right to kill. or to hate. hate is as murder Jesus said.
if man has sinned against us... we still dont have the right to take his life.

 

You are wrong. God gave the government the obligation to carry out his judgement in Romans 13.

Joseph Botwinick

 

That's the one I meant before!

And, of course, whatever the government decides to do somehow is His judgement because that's what it did and all governments are divinely inspired to do His will, ipso facto? Or does it only apply to executions?

 

those without sin may cast the first stone.

 

Well, I can't cast the first stone or the last....but I do know that he'll face death whether he gets life or death.

And, wasn't the casting of the first stone in regards to the woman at the well? Same situation??????? </font>[/QUOTE]Right Gospel, wrong section.

Jesus was teaching at the Temple one day, and a group of scribes nd Pharisees brought o him a woman who they claimed to have been caught in the act of adultery (note the glaring absence of a partner in crime; it's significant). In order to test Jesus, they demanded He pronounce sentence upon her: if He abided by the Law, then all that forgiveness talk He's been doing was hooey, if He refused to pronounce the sentence the Law prescribed, i.e. stoning, He was a heretic and liable for punishment by stoning Himself. So Jesus took a few moments, stooping down to write in the dirt floor of the Temple court, then finally looked up and said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Then, beginning with the oldest, the scribes and Pharisees walked off.

(In a way, this passage has given me a grudging respect for the "bad guys," because these scribes and Pharisees, as cruel and stiff-necked and self-righteous as they were, still had the humility to acknowledge that they, like us all, are sinners.)

Jesus looked at the woman then, and asked "Who condemns you?" No one, of course, remained except Jesus and her (I suspect the people Jesus had been teaching were huddled back in the shadows lest the scribes and Pharisees find out who they were listening to). "No one," she replied. Jesus said, "Niether do I condemn you. Go and sin no more."

There is therefore, you see, no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Though we deserve it -- we've done the crime, if you will -- we find forgiveness, and are called to compassion and forgiveness of others in response.

And that, it turns out, is the hardest part.

 

Forgiveness does not equal absolution. Someone still had to die for our sins. Blood was still required.

I don't think this guy needs to be put to death. But in other cases, not only is it justified, it's commanded.

 

No one is saying the opposite.

We've been through all of this before. Until you don't eat shrimp or wear clothing of two different materials at once, calling up Old Covenant law selectively is contraindicated.

 

I disagree. You are lumping two completely different sets of law together.

But you are right, we have been through it before. I disagree with you. That's all that needs to be said.

 

i believe anybody who wishes for this guy to be put to death is essentially asking God to put him in hell.

if he goes through death penalty, how do we know if he'll get the chance to hear the gospel or not and for him to have the chance to accept Salvation?

its no use in condemning him. he's condemned already (john 3:18) in the spiritual sense.

but if there is a chance at all that he could hear the gospel. lets give the gospel to him. not death.

and you say im cold-hearted in respect to 9/11? ha.

 

This has recently just been reported in our own papers, I am surprised that they took that descion. Still, I hope that he does at some point respond to God knocking at the door of his heart. God does miracles all over the world, and even someone who might be considered the most heinous of sinners can still be born again, despite what satan purposed for evil.