Should sanctuary Universities lose their federal funding???

[righteousdude2]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/16/politics/sanctuary-campus-protests/

More and more universitites are taking steps to protect their ILLEGAL alien students from deportation by declaring their campuses to be sanctuary zones.

Should these universities be held accountable by losing their federal funds? Please defend your argument for or against losing funds with sound evidence and supportive links!

 

[InTheLight]

Please tell us the amount and type of funds that the federal government is giving to universities so that we can give you an intelligent answer. Thank you.

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[Rob_BW]

Abolish the federal department of education.

After that, the voters in each state can deal with the public universities, and the private universities can do what they want.

 

[righteousdude2]

Please tell us the amount and type of funds that the federal government is giving to universities so that we can give you an intelligent answer. Thank you.

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I have no idea of the amounts you are asking about. But, the students do get federally backed and funded student loans. So you can check links for numbers or amounts. I tend to think students get several hundred grand in all for four years. I know my student loans were federally backed. Great question.

 

[InTheLight]

I have no idea of the amounts you are asking about. But, the students do get federally backed and funded student loans. So you can check links for numbers or amounts. I tend to think students get several hundred grand in all for four years. I know my student loans were federally backed. Great question.

Well, students receive the bulk of federal funding, not universities. That's my point. Universities typically get their direct funding from states, not the federal government. So your question makes no sense. There are no federal funds for the universities to lose. Unless you want to punish students by denying them federal grants and loans.

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[Don]

Well, students receive the bulk of federal funding, not universities. That's my point. Universities typically get their direct funding from states, not the federal government. So your question makes no sense. There are no federal funds for the universities to lose. Unless you want to punish students by denying them federal grants and loans.

This is kind of a weird round-about thing. Yes, the federal grants and loans go to the students; but the brunt of those grants and loans are applied to the students' outstanding balance for classes, fees, etc. Then the students receive disbursement of any remaining funds. The institutions have agreements of some type with the federal government; if the institution is found to be improperly handling federal grants or loans, then the institution can lose their ability to coordinate federal funding. Same on the state level. Applies to accreditation, as well. In other words, if students lose the ability to use their federal funds at an institution, that institution loses students; and thus, indirectly loses federal funds.

So direct funding, yes; but indirectly, most institutions rely heavily on federal funding. Private institutions, of course, are different. OU, for example, typically relies on federal/state funding for about 20% of their budget.

 

[Rob_BW]

Good point. Pells and other grants have affected the market for higher education.

 

[Salty]

Well, students receive the bulk of federal funding, not universities. That's my point. Universities typically get their direct funding from states, not the federal government. So your question makes no sense. There are no federal funds for the universities to lose. Unless you want to punish students by denying them federal grants and loans.

Remember Bob Jones University - In 1976, the Internal Revenue Service revoked the university's tax exemption retroactively to December 1, 1970 on grounds that it was practicing racial discrimination.[17]
(From Wiki)

 

[InTheLight]

Remember Bob Jones University - In 1976, the Internal Revenue Service revoked the university's tax exemption retroactively to December 1, 1970 on grounds that it was practicing racial discrimination.[17]
(From Wiki)

Yes, but tax exempt status is not the same thing as funding.

At least that is what I'm told by Trump supporters who agree with the Carrier tax incentives but disagree with Obama's loan guarantees to Solyndra.

 

[InTheLight]

This is kind of a weird round-about thing. Yes, the federal grants and loans go to the students; but the brunt of those grants and loans are applied to the students' outstanding balance for classes, fees, etc. Then the students receive disbursement of any remaining funds. The institutions have agreements of some type with the federal government; if the institution is found to be improperly handling federal grants or loans, then the institution can lose their ability to coordinate federal funding. Same on the state level. Applies to accreditation, as well. In other words, if students lose the ability to use their federal funds at an institution, that institution loses students; and thus, indirectly loses federal funds.

So direct funding, yes; but indirectly, most institutions rely heavily on federal funding. Private institutions, of course, are different. OU, for example, typically relies on federal/state funding for about 20% of their budget.

I agree with this. I also would say that there is no shortage of students trying to get into colleges, so the practical effect to a university of a student losing their ability to use their federal funds would be almost nothing.

 

[InTheLight]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/16/politics/sanctuary-campus-protests/

More and more universitites are taking steps to protect their ILLEGAL alien students from deportation by declaring their campuses to be sanctuary zones.

Should these universities be held accountable by losing their federal funds? Please defend your argument for or against losing funds with sound evidence and supportive links!

The interesting thing to me is the eagerness of Trump supporters to wield the sledgehammer of federal funding. Now that THEY are in power they can use the brute force of big government to punish/reward winners and losers as they see fit. What ever happened to restricting the power of the federal government and in general, limited government? What happened to the battle cry of "Remember the Tenth Amendment?"

 

[Don]

I agree with this. I also would say that there is no shortage of students trying to get into colleges, so the practical effect to a university of a student losing their ability to use their federal funds would be almost nothing.

If we were speaking of one student, then yes; but if we're talking about *no* students being able to use federal funding, then the situation radically changes. You'd be surprised how many *public* institutions actually rely on students using federal/state funding.

 

[Revmitchell]

If the students receive federal loans and grants then yes the school received federal funding.

 

[InTheLight]

If we were speaking of one student, then yes; but if we're talking about *no* students being able to use federal funding, then the situation radically changes. You'd be surprised how many *public* institutions actually rely on students using federal/state funding.

OK, let's say that a law is passed to prevent universities from accepting students using Pell grants because those universities have declared their campuses are sanctuaries for illegal immigrants. Let's say there are 20 universities that are affected. What would likely happen is that liberals would send their kids to these particular colleges as a showing of solidarity.

 

[Rob_BW]

OK, let's say that a law is passed to prevent universities from accepting students using Pell grants because those universities have declared their campuses are sanctuaries for illegal immigrants. Let's say there are 20 universities at are affected. What would likely happen is that liberals would send their kids to these particular colleges as a showing of solidarity.

In my business we call that shaping operations.