Should the shot be pulled? Or mandated?

[Wingman68]

Stephanie Evans - Pfizer Severe Adverse Reaction - No More Silence - Telling Our Stories

These come in daily. After each new story, click the next by her picture. After reading all you can take…..then answer the question. How about those 5-11 yr olds whose stories are yet to come…..When does common sense make a comeback over coercion? The mandators have abandoned common sense for ideology, they hope you go along willingly. The answers here will tell if they are correct.

 

[KenH]

Neither pull the vaccine nor mandate it by government. Let each individual or business or private organization make their own decision, not government.

 

[percho]

Neither pull the vaccine nor mandate it by government. Let each individual or business or private organization make their own decision, not government.

Do you think the info presented in the OP should be shown by all of main stream media including all social media and shared by the CDC?

Edited to add whether the CRC agrees or not if cause has anything to do with the vaccine?

 

[AustinC]

If the goverments of the world had not worked together and given the smallpox vaccine to everyone, we would never have eradicated smallpox. Covid will never go away if we don't provide immunization to everyone.
If God placed me in a government position where I make the decision, then everyone would be vaccinated. This is the prudent thing to do. It saddens me how disobedient Christians are being to the direction of God through Romans 13. As followers of Jesus, we should be first in line for the vaccine.

 

[JonC]

I agree with @KenH .

People need to stop trying to make decisions for other people. The government should not force vaccines. Businesses should be allowed to determine for themselves employment criteria. And people who want to be vaccinated should have the resource avaliable.

 

[KenH]

Do you think the info presented in the OP should be shown by all of main stream media including all social media and shared by the CDC?

Media companies are private entities. They can show what they want. My main media is sports and old western TV shows. My time on Facebook is mainly to spread the gospel of the sovereign grace of God and read the posts of others who spread the gospel message as well. I would imagine that my consumption of political news has dropped 80-90% this year, and I like it that way. I have a friend who writes a column, mainly about Arkansas politics and issues, that is published every few days, so I keep up with things from his column as I am on his email list. And after I became fully vaccinated in April my consumption of the COVID issue has dropped as well, pretty much just seeing headlines about it, other than when the vaccine mandates became an issue back in the summer. But even that is pretty much now just the same arguments back and forth by the same group of people, so that has become quite boring to me since I am already vaccinated and I won't make any decision about a booster until at least next April, a year after becoming fully vaccinated.

So whether media companies are showing the info in the OP, frankly, I don't care, as I probably won't know if they do or don't.

 

[Wingman68]

Neither pull the vaccine nor mandate it by government. Let each individual or business or private organization make their own decision, not government.

Then would you agree that businesses who mandate (assuming they too are not being coerced with losing government perks) should then be responsible for any negative impact? Or is the shotee on their own & just lucky to have still had a job?

 

[KenH]

Then would you agree that businesses who mandate (assuming they too are not being coerced with losing government perks) should then be responsible for any negative impact? Or is the shotee on their own & just lucky to have still had a job?

I am not a lawyer so I don't know how that works legally with other health mandates that businesses have imposed. I would think it would be handled like those have been.

 

[JonC]

Do you think the info presented in the OP should be shown by all of main stream media including all social media and shared by the CDC?

Edited to add whether the CRC agrees or not if cause has anything to do with the vaccine?

No. The information presented needs to be reported through VARES and if it is not an isolated incident (that appears non-related to the vaccine) then the CDC should investigate.

It would be irresponsible for CSC to make the story available on its site without ensuring the effect was due to the vaccine. The vaccine used and side-effect should be accounted for in VARES.

Social media outlets should not be forced to provide content.

 

[JonC]

I am not a lawyer so I don't know how that works legally with other health mandates that businesses have imposed. I would think it would be handled like those have been.

Like anything of this nature it us covered under workman's compensation.

Businesses have required the flu shot as a condition of employment in the past. If you received a flu shot and had an adverse reaction that would fall under workman's compensation if it was required by your employer.

The same is true of the covid vaccinations. The only difference is covid is now officially a "work place hazard" while influenza is not.

 

[percho]

No. The information presented needs to be reported through VARES and if it is not an isolated incident (that appears non-related to the vaccine) then the CDC should investigate.

It would be irresponsible for CSC to make the story available on its site without ensuring the effect was due to the vaccine. The vaccine used and side-effect should be accounted for in VARES.

Social media outlets should not be forced to provide content.

Is any agency in the government of the USA responsible for investigating what is reported through VARES? Who?

How is that investigation made?

Let's say relative to a death. How is that death investigated? Jon, in 2020 someone died of a heart attack and had a positive result for covid using a hyped cycle test and declared he died because of covid and is put on his death certificate. That was the norm for all deaths from all causes in 2020.

Why does not the same apply to the vaccine. A twenty three year old dies after taking the vaccine. Why is not that shown on his death certificate.

Would an autopsy show death by covid? Is it like some cancers, your body is eaten up with covid?

How much data was reported to VARES relative to vaccination of all kinds from 2000 to 2020? How much data since?

Course I believe more people new about VARES in 2020 than before, however exactly whose fault is that.

 

[Wingman68]

Latest VAERS numbers on Vaccine deaths…



These #’s are only through 9/10/2021, & are commonly thought to be under reported by at least 10 times. Nurses have said they are not told anything about reporting to VAERS, & the ones that took it on themselves were highly discouraged from doing so. Most never even heard of it.

 

[Aaron]

If the goverments of the world had not worked together and given the smallpox vaccine to everyone, we would never have eradicated smallpox. Covid will never go away if we don't provide immunization to everyone.
If God placed me in a government position where I make the decision, then everyone would be vaccinated. This is the prudent thing to do. It saddens me how disobedient Christians are being to the direction of God through Romans 13. As followers of Jesus, we should be first in line for the vaccine.

Covid will never be irradicated. It's endemic like the flu, and, like the flu, has animal reservoirs. It's here to stay.

 

[JonC]

Is any agency in the government of the USA responsible for investigating what is reported through VARES? Who?

How is that investigation made?

Let's say relative to a death. How is that death investigated? Jon, in 2020 someone died of a heart attack and had a positive result for covid using a hyped cycle test and declared he died because of covid and is put on his death certificate. That was the norm for all deaths from all causes in 2020.

Why does not the same apply to the vaccine. A twenty three year old dies after taking the vaccine. Why is not that shown on his death certificate.

Would an autopsy show death by covid? Is it like some cancers, your body is eaten up with covid?

How much data was reported to VARES relative to vaccination of all kinds from 2000 to 2020? How much data since?

Course I believe more people new about VARES in 2020 than before, however exactly whose fault is that.

The issue with VARES is people misuse the data for their own agendas by ignoring VARES does not connect a reported effect to a cause. A hangover is reported in VARES, as is treatment for alcoholism. I believe it would be irresponsible to blame a vaccine for hangovers and alcohol abuse.

I agree that listing a person having a heart attack while covid positive as a covid death (provided the heart attack was not directly caused by the infection....e.g., covid can also cause heart issues) is also irresponsible.

But the solution to irresponsible reporting of covid deaths should not be irresponsible reporting of vaccine deaths.

Typically side effects to vaccines, including death, is investigated by first identifying trends. During the vaccine trials people reported side-effects, but these include people who were not actually given the vaccine. Side-effects are studied along side the control group.

Once an unexpected side-effect or a trend is identified it is investigated to determine causation. We knew before the vacvines were released that side-effects would occur. The question is whether they are unexpected effects or if they occur at an unexpected rate.

 

[Wingman68]

If the goverments of the world had not worked together and given the smallpox vaccine to everyone, we would never have eradicated smallpox. Covid will never go away if we don't provide immunization to everyone.
If God placed me in a government position where I make the decision, then everyone would be vaccinated. This is the prudent thing to do. It saddens me how disobedient Christians are being to the direction of God through Romans 13. As followers of Jesus, we should be first in line for the vaccine.

Bill Gates warns of smallpox terror attacks and urges leaders to use ‘germ games’

 

[AustinC]

Bill Gates warns of smallpox terror attacks and urges leaders to use ‘germ games’

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You seem a bit paranoid. Are you going to be okay? Would you consider staying away from fruitless websites as a way of de-stressing?

 

[Wingman68]

You seem a bit paranoid. Are you going to be okay? Would you consider staying away from fruitless websites as a way of de-stressing?

Which websites would you recommend? I’ll be sure to avoid them lest I become like you. Cheers.

 

[percho]

Bill Gates warns of smallpox terror attacks and urges leaders to use ‘germ games’

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From the article

Mr Gates suggested that the “germ-games” could include preparing for acts of bioterrorism such as smallpox attacks on airports.

“You say, OK, what if a bioterrorist brought smallpox to 10 airports? You know, how would the world respond to that? There’s naturally-caused epidemics and bioterrorism-caused epidemics that could even be way worse than what we experienced today”, he said.

I wonder which of those he classifieds sars covid 2 under?

 

[percho]

Is sars covid 2 man made or natural?

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

If the goverments of the world had not worked together and given the smallpox vaccine to everyone, we would never have eradicated smallpox. Covid will never go away if we don't provide immunization to everyone.
If God placed me in a government position where I make the decision, then everyone would be vaccinated. This is the prudent thing to do. It saddens me how disobedient Christians are being to the direction of God through Romans 13. As followers of Jesus, we should be first in line for the vaccine.

This is not smallpox.
This is not even a vaccine by the same definition.
COVID will not go away because of a vaccine, even if everyone is vaccinated (see Israel).
If God placed you in a government position, it might just be for the purpose of casting judgement upon the nation.
It's not the prudent thing to do. In fact, it's incredibly foolish.
No self-respecting Christian should ever defile himself with the shot.
Everything you said was dead wrong.

If the regulatory agencies had simply been open, honest and consistent, then they would have done with this vaccine exactly what they did with every other pharmaceutical that went this badly. They would have pulled it. That's their job, and I'm only asking that they do what they were paid to do.