Should the United States Stop Aiding Ukraine's War Effort?

[Conan]

Washington seemed to think so. France and England were rivals and France benefitted by England losing to the colonies.

I only pointed out that Washington warned of involvement in foreign politics, specifically in Europe.

He clearly stated any commitment s made to France had been fulfilled.

I’ve already stated we should honor our agreement with Ukraine. Send them an equal number of nukes that were removed in the prior agreement and get out.

peace to you

Give the Ukrainian Nazis nukes? May the Lord rebuke you.

 

[Conan]

I voted "no" and mentally included the UK in that, and we are just as skint as you are, probably more so.
If Russia conquers Ukraine, then Putin will press on into Moldova and then ..... who knows? Think Hitler and appeasement.
If the West announces plans to stop supporting Ukraine, the Putin will hang on until we stop.

What we should be doing is pressing Ukraine privately to accept some sort of compromise, with the threat of withdrawing aid; and urging Russia publicly to do likewise with the threat of carrying on. Blessed are the peacemakers. How many more tens of thousands of casualties are there going to be until the two sides run out of steam?

Ukraine has lost 400,000. The United States has doomed them and used them up. The Russians launched their special Military operation to come to a negotiated settlement and after a week had one. Russia withdrew from Kieve and all of Ukraine but the eastern ethnic Russian regions. But the Uk leader talked zelensky out of the agreement assuring him he has Natos backup. Now they have lost 400,000 thousand men on three failed offensives. We sent the Ukrainians against well dug in Russians without an air force and without sufficient artillery. The Russians have now destroyed 3 Ukrainian Armies. Funny. The Pentagon would not have sent US army personnel against well entrenched Russians with no air support or artillery would they?

 

[canadyjd]

Give the Ukrainian Nazis nukes? May the Lord rebuke you.

Right. The US agreed to protect Ukraine if they gave up their nukes and Russia invaded. You don’t want the US to fulfill its promises.

Give them their own nukes back and the Ukrainians and the communists to figure it out. No need for the US to be pouring money into that war effort. The US will have fulfilled its obligations to Ukraine.

Peace to you

 

[Conan]

Right. The US agreed to protect Ukraine if they gave up their nukes and Russia invaded. You don’t want the US to fulfill its promises.

Give them their own nukes back and the Ukrainians and the communists to figure it out. No need for the US to be pouring money into that war effort. The US will have fulfilled its obligations to Ukraine.

Peace to you

You are destroying Ukraine. The US demanded that they go on the offensive against the Russians who are well dug in the East with 3 lines in depth. The Ukrainians went against them with no air force and not sufficient artillery. We have sent them to their slaughter. All because we want to hurt Russia. This war is our fault. Everyone on this planet knew Ukraine was to stay neutral and not join Nato. But we wanted proxy war with Russia where we kill Russians but they don't kill Americans but Ukrainians. You have heard what lindsey grahm and others said about it. Just kill Russians. Well, the Russians are winning this war and The US is just using Ukraine to hurt Russia. And the United States doesn't care at all how bad Ukraine is hurt and destroyed. Fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian. That is a great crime and it's wicked as evil.

 

[canadyjd]

You are destroying Ukraine. The US demanded that they go on the offensive against the Russians who are well dug in the East with 3 lines in depth. The Ukrainians went against them with no air force and not sufficient artillery. We have sent them to their slaughter. All because we want to hurt Russia. This war is our fault. Everyone on this planet knew Ukraine was to stay neutral and not join Nato. But we wanted proxy war with Russia where we kill Russians but they don't kill Americans but Ukrainians. You have heard what lindsey grahm and others said about it. Just kill Russians. Well, the Russians are winning this war and The US is just using Ukraine to hurt Russia. And the United States doesn't care at all how bad Ukraine is hurt and destroyed. Fighting Russia to the last Ukrainian. That is a great crime and it's wicked as evil.

Everything you said is Russian propaganda.

peace to you

 

[atpollard]

During the 8 years of the George W. Bush presidency, the yearly budget deficit averaged $544 billion.
During the 8 years of the Barack Obama presidency, the yearly budget deficit averaged $1.2 trillion.
During the 4 years of the Donald Trump presidency, the yearly budget deficit averaged $1.8 trillion.
During the first 3 years of the Joe Biden presidency, the yearly budget deficit has averaged $2.1 trillion.

With the federal government running $2 trillion budget deficits year after year after year, if the Democrats and Republicans keep kicking the can down the road, there will eventually be no can to kick.

If you want to balance the budget, you need to look at eliminating:

• Social Security
• Medicare
• Medicaid

See the infographics from the CBO.

 

[KenH]

If you want to balance the budget, you need to look at eliminating:

• Social Security
• Medicare
• Medicaid

See the infographics from the CBO.

The U.S. government needs to be reduced to only its enumerated powers in the U.S. Constitution, which would mean the federal government would not be doing much of anything, as intended by the framers of the U.S. Constitution.

 

[Reynolds]

Ukraine is most corrupt "democratic" govt in the world. NATO was using Ukraine to push Russia in a corner. Putin came out swinging.
Despite what the MSM propaganda machine tells you, Russia is dessimating the Ukraine. Ukrainian military is surrendering en masse. They have phone apps they are using to surrender.
Ukraine will lose. If NATO keeps poking the Bear, the war will expand into NATO nations.

 

[atpollard]

Ukraine is most corrupt "democratic" govt in the world.

Have you ever been to Haiti? What about the countries in Central America or Africa? I would like to see the support for the claim of “most corrupt democratic government in the world”.

There seem to be so many qualified contenders.

 

[atpollard]

Despite what the MSM propaganda machine tells you, Russia is dessimating the Ukraine. Ukrainian military is surrendering en masse. They have phone apps they are using to surrender.
Ukraine will lose. If NATO keeps poking the Bear, the war will expand into NATO nations.

Unlikely. Time will tell whether Russia or Ukraine collapses first. I suspect history will record Putin as responsible for the collapse of Russia just as Gorbachev oversaw the collapse of the Soviet Union.

 

[Reynolds]

Ukraine has already practically collapsed.

 

[atpollard]

Ukraine has already practically collapsed.

Time will tell.

 

[Revmitchell]

We are not just funding the war efforts we are also funding the entire running of the country. But they do not tell us that do they? This Biden admin refuses to be accountable for the money spent or how it will be spent. They are in fact fighting against that accountability. Why?

1. We do not have money to send to Ukraine
2. They refuse to be accountable for spending
3. We have pressing needs right here in our own country that are being ignored
4. The country including the cross dressing Zelynsky are corrupt.
5. The UE countries are contributing very little when it is in their own back yard
6. Putting invaded Ukraine under Bush, Obama, and now Biden but he didn't when Trump was in office. Only now do we feel the need to stick our nose where it doesn't belong to the sacrifice of our now country.

Sending money to Ukraine is evil.

 

[canadyjd]

Ukraine has already practically collapsed.

The damage has been breathtaking. And yet, Ukrainians keep fighting. They know the Russians have a history killing millions of Ukrainians and must believe they would rather die fighting

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

We are not just funding the war efforts we are also funding the entire running of the country. But they do not tell us that do they? This Biden admin refuses to be accountable for the money spent or how it will be spent. They are in fact fighting against that accountability. Why?

1. We do not have money to send to Ukraine
2. They refuse to be accountable for spending
3. We have pressing needs right here in our own country that are being ignored
4. The country including the cross dressing Zelynsky are corrupt.
5. The UE countries are contributing very little when it is in their own back yard
6. Putting invaded Ukraine under Bush, Obama, and now Biden but he didn't when Trump was in office. Only now do we feel the need to stick our nose where it doesn't belong to the sacrifice of our now country.

Sending money to Ukraine is evil.

You forgot the real #1 reason. Money from Ukraine aid is being diverted en masse to the U.S. politicians appropriating it. Maybe you did cover that under the "corruption" part.

 

[Centrist]

If we help the Ukraine and Taiwan, then ethically speaking that allows Russia and China to interfere in out domestic politics. Not everyone wants us in Hawaii or American Samoa or Guam or Puerto Rico. It permits Russia to return nuclear weapons to Cuba. The US is not "globo-cop". Not supposed to be anyhow.

 

[Conan]

If we help the Ukraine and Taiwan, then ethically speaking that allows Russia and China to interfere in out domestic politics. Not everyone wants us in Hawaii or American Samoa or Guam or Puerto Rico. It permits Russia to return nuclear weapons to Cuba. The US is not "globo-cop". Not supposed to be anyhow.

The current administration, under control of the neo libs/cons currently think only we should be telling the world what to do. Russia and China and Iran and other countries think they are sovereign and don't have to do what we say. This is not how the American public feels, but by those in power. They do not care how anyone else feels.