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Should we believe in a young earth or our lying eyes?

The Galatian

Active Member
Mainstream science, in this case, has realized that those variations in the axis of the Earth are due to a long-term precession.

That is why Stonehenge, for example, has astronomical settings that are no longer precisely accurate. The precession of the equinoxes moves the apparent position of the stars by about one degree every 72 years. This, not suprisingly, is just what is required to explain the inaccuracies of the monuments you mentioned.
 

Helen

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A number of astronomers do not agree with you, Galatian. The Dodwell papers will finally be out in about three months. The publisher has them now. It will be interesting to see the reactions -- both of those who know astronomy and those who don't.
 

Meatros

New Member
Originally posted by Helen:
Galatian, mainstream science is always behind.
Meatros, WHAT 'several centuries"???
An impact the size of the vredefort would have darkened the skies and made the earth inhabitable for centuries.

This article involves the K/T impact and the damage it would have done. Keep in mind that the K/T (IIRC it's actually the 3rd largest meteor)is smaller than the Vredefort:

As the object was caught by Earth, it fell down at tens of km per second to the ground, exploding on impact. The models made of Chicxulub suggest that the energy released was something like 1025 joules in one minute. The immediate effect would be the vaporization, melting and ejection of the original meteorite, millions of liters of water and about 200 cubic km of Earth's crust. There would be an immense heat and pressure wave, and giant tidal waves would rush from the impact site, speeding into inlands possibly hundreds of kilometers, causing the floods seen in the bottom part of the K/T sediments. As the rocks of the area of impact had high amounts of sulphides, their vaporization would release a lot of sulphur into the atmosphere, and along with the oxidized atmospheric nitrogen it would cause major acid rains, changing the pH of the surface waters. This kind of chemical reactions have been found in the K/T boundary layer.
The ejected melted rocks fell down around the world (as much as 10kg/m2 has been suggested), causing major forest fires, and thus creating the soot found in the sediments. The vaporized rock material and dust-sized grains of the ejecta would stay up in the atmosphere for periods up to 2-3 months causing darkness and cooling of the weather and eventually creating the upper fireball layer in the sediments.
And, finally, the impact would have released something like 1015-1017kg of CO2 into the atmosphere, causing major greenhouse effects. The upper limit of this carbon dioxide would have been about 50 times as much as found today in the atmosphere, and would have warmed the atmosphere by 15oC. This amount of CO2 would have taken over 100 years to be removed.
Taken from The K/T Boundary

Also a few other things:

Regarding Peleg and Babel, what was the evidence, I mean, I don't see any evidence of a massive earth changing event in the relevant bible verses. Also what about the other major meteor blasts?
 

Meatros

New Member
Originally posted by A_Christian:
Meatros:

There are evolutionists who are geologists and
creationists who are geologists. I'm being
specific.
The thing is you are applying motive towards a group of people who aren't all secularist. I think I know what you are getting at, but I am trying to prevent you from painting a group of varying individuals with a broad brush stroke.
 

Johnv

New Member
Originally posted by Helen:
A number of astronomers do not agree with you, Galatian.
Precession is visible in other plantes in our own system, as well as other extrasolar bodies. It's a normal, predictable, and expected part of planetary rotation.

BTW - for the lay persons:
Precession: The gyration of the earth's axis around the pole of the ecliptic (similar to the wobble of a spinning top) caused mainly by the gravitational pull of the sun, moon, and other planets on the earth's equatorial bulge.
 

The Galatian

Active Member
(Barbarian notes that precession of the equinoxes precisely predicts the inaccuracies seen in ancient monuments)

A number of astronomers do not agree with you, Galatian.
Can't be very many of them. The precession is precisely measured, and has been observed since ancient times. No sudden movements, just a gradual change.
 

The Galatian

Active Member
I think you mean "uniformitarian". It does not mean "gradualist".

Which I'm not. The precession of the equinonxes is gradual,(after all, it's been measured for thousands of years) but there are other processes that are discontinuous as well.

[ May 24, 2003, 09:16 PM: Message edited by: Administrator ]
 
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