Should women vote in business meetings

[Reynolds]

You are simply taking a stereotype about women and making assumptions based on that stereotype.

I've been in plenty of churches "run by men" that are led about by emotion and emotional manipulation rather than by conscience and reason. I know plenty of women who are highly rational and don't put up with any emotional manipulation by anyone. It's just a stereotype.


That sounds like an "emotional" man.

A hen pecked man that needs to put his wife in her place.
The apostle was the final authority in the NT church. They were what sex? Male.

 

[Baptist Believer]

A hen pecked man that needs to put his wife in her place.
The apostle was the final authority in the NT church. They were what sex? Male.

Junias may be at least one exception to your assertion:

Romans 16:7
"Greet Andronicus and Junias, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners, who are outstanding among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me."

 

[Reynolds]

Junias may be at least one exception to your assertion:

Romans 16:7
"Greet Andronicus and Junias, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners, who are outstanding among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me."

Junias did not become female until quite recently. He was a man when he lived. Liberals are seeking to make him a female.

 

[rlvaughn]

In the case of Romans 16:7, I think the language more likely means that Andronicus and Junias were well-known and highly respected by the apostles, rather than that they were apostles.

 

[rsr]

Could be. But the interpretation that Junia was an apostle is not a modern invention. The church fathers were almost unanimous in identifying Junia as a woman and as an apostle.

 

[rlvaughn]

Dan Wallace has an interesting article on the topic at Bible.org, Junia Among the Apostles: The Double Identification Problem in Romans 16:7. Here's part of how he ends it:

In sum, until further evidence is produced that counters the working hypothesis, we must conclude that Andronicus and Junia were not apostles, but were known to the apostles. To be sure, our conclusion is tentative. But it is always safer to stand on the side of some evidence than on the side of none at all.

This, however, should not be the end of the matter. We welcome any and all evidence that either supports or contradicts our working hypothesis. After all, our objective is to pursue truth.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I don't believe in corporate voting but if you're going to have corporate voting, I see no Biblical reason not to allow women to vote.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

I don't believe in corporate voting but if you're going to have corporate voting, I see no Biblical reason not to allow women to vote.

I want to ask a kind question then: what do you believe is superior to corporate voting? I ask to discover more about how to run churches. I myself am very skeptical of voting as I fail to find it in the Word of God.

What I really need to do a bible study on godly womanhood, and then start a thread on that when I can.

 

[Salty]

I don't believe in corporate voting ....

why not

 

[rsr]

Junias did not become female until quite recently. He was a man when he lived. Liberals are seeking to make him a female.

Then another praise besides. Who are of note among the Apostles. And indeed to be apostles at all is a great thing. But to be even among these of note, just consider what a great encomium this is! But they were of note owing to their works, to their achievements. Oh! How great is the devotion (φιλοσοφία) of this woman, that she should be even counted worthy of the appellation of apostle! But even here he does not stop, but adds another encomium besides, and says, Who were also in Christ before me.

John Chrysostom, Homily 31 on Romans, circa 400

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I want to ask a kind question then: what do you believe is superior to corporate voting?

Elder rule.

 

[rlvaughn]

I want to ask a kind question then: what do you believe is superior to corporate voting? I ask to discover more about how to run churches. I myself am very skeptical of voting as I fail to find it in the Word of God.

Church consensus

 

[rsr]

Good post, Robert.

Congregationalism that ignores godly leadership, biblical exhortation, wise counsel, and the office of the eldership is only a distant cousin to what is found in the inspired revelation. Church government that consigns congregational consensus to the devil is no cousin at all.

Even in the Catholic church this was a pattern. Augustine was chosen for the priesthood by acclamation. "It was not his intention to become a priest. He was visiting the town of Hippo, was in church hearing a sermon, and the bishop, without warning, said, 'This Church is in need of more priests, and I believe that the ordination of Augustine would be to the glory of God.' Willing hands dragged Augustine forward, and the bishop together with his council of priests laid hands on Augustine and ordained him to the priesthood." He was later installed as bishop by a council of bishops, clergy and laymen.

Consensus should be the goal. Unfortunately, fallen humans being fallen, they can corrupt any method of church government.

 

[Happy]

A hen pecked man that needs to put his wife in her place.

And what place might that be? the nail salon? in the pool while her husband grills dinner?

The apostle was the final authority in the NT church. They were what sex? Male.

And inasmuch as the women were to not "suffer" teaching men, speaking up, the men in the congregation were to also not be teaching, or talking, but being quiet, Because, as men were supposed to be familiar with the order, that the congregation be quiet, and listen to the speaker, so too, when women were permitted attend Temple/Church, the same order was expressed to them.

In Corinth, as I recall, (and probably not exclusive to that city), it was not unusual for a "Church" gathering to be full of people, curious, asking questions, wanting answers, and all talking at once., because lest we forget; introducing the teachings of Christ WAS an absolutely a foreign concept.

I don't hold too much stock that women are forbidden to teach. If one wants to hear, go, if you don't don't. And do not forget, there are plenty of men who play no role in fulfilling a Scriptural foundation for their wives or family.

 

[Happy]

Should women vote in business meetings ~

Depends on if the meeting entails something women are vested in.
Such as; if the women are vested in being responsible for decorations, flowers, accounting the money, books, records, organizing materials...
etc. well, then yes.

Because "in business" (as in some others things), one fraction of something always involves to some extent another fraction of the whole.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Should women vote in business meetings ~

Depends on if the meeting entails something women are vested in.
Such as; if the women are vested in being responsible for decorations, flowers, accounting the money, books, records, organizing materials...
etc. well, then yes.

I agree. I would also throw in matters of leadership, doctrine, church discipline, purchasing land, building programs, distribution of funds and assistance, programs of education, selection of teachers, elders, and deacons, etc., since they are obviously "vested in" those things as well.

 

[Happy]

I agree. I would also throw in matters of leadership, doctrine, church discipline, purchasing land, building programs, distribution of funds and assistance, programs of education, selection of teachers, elders, and deacons, etc., since they are obviously "vested in" those things as well.

Personally ~ For myself, the last thing I find on my want to do list, is to sit in on a business meeting.

 

[TCassidy]

Personally ~ For myself, the last thing I find on my want to do list, is to sit in on a business meeting.

Or go to church at all?

 

[Happy]

Or go to church at all?

Go? Christ's Church is within me. Where I am, so is He and me.

 

[TCassidy]

So you don't attend an assembly of believers with pastors and deacons?