Show Me The Proof.

[poncho]

Would any "proof" offered be accepted? Isn't the media in on the whole one world, take over everyone agenda?

Have you ever noticed that no matter which of the six news networks you turn on they're reading from the same script as the other five almost word for word one never questioning the other's facts or sources?

No never? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9x-yDyN78 Even the local news is scripted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85KZ3POfg3g

So . . . who writes the script?

 

[poncho]

There are first hand accounts, photographs, and videos from people on the ground in Ukraine and Crimea on this site. It's very extensive, so happy reading.

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-32-ukraine-signs-eu-trade-pact/#1406

I'm guessing this is the third or fourth time I've posted a link to this site for readers on BB.

Cool did you take notes as you checked these people's backgrounds and and verified each of their posts? If so may I have a look at them?

It's going to to take me awhile to go through all this but from what I have seen so far the Atlantic Council, Carnegie Foundation, the "coup regime" itself and the US State Dept through USAID and NED are well represented.

Here's a few names I lifted so far.

Euromaidan PR
Official International Public Relations Secretariat for the Headquarters of
National Resistance of the EuroMaidan

EU Crimean Tatar
Crimean Tatar Parliment Representation to the EU
Brussels

Roland Oliphant
Moscow correspondent for @telegraph
Moscow

Damon M. Wilson
ExecVP. Atlanticist. Diplomat. Policy wonk. Strategist. Freedom fighter.
Insights on Europe/Eurasia, NATO, democracy, national security, and crisis management. Washington - Charleston - VT · AtlanticCouncil.org

Fred Kempe
CEO & President @AtlanticCouncil. Author. Journalist. Entrepreneur. RT ≠ endorsement Washington, DC

Maks Czuperski
Towards a Europe Whole & Free @AtlanticCouncil / Following FP in Washington. RT ≠ endorsement / views are my own.
Washington, DC · atlanticcouncil.org

Alexey Navalny
Основатель Фонда борьбы с коррупцией, председатель Партии Прогресса.
Moscow · navalny.livejournal.com

Click HERE for explanation in English. Would this be training from USAID or NED he's so proud of?

Alma R. Candelaria serves as the Director of the International Visitor Leadership Program at the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs (ECA). The International Visitor Leadership Program annually brings to the United States approximately 5,000 foreign nationals from all over the world to meet and confer with their professional counterparts and to experience America firsthand. The visitors, who are selected by American Foreign Service officers overseas, are current or emerging leaders in government, politics, the media, education, the arts, business and other fields. http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/pix/hispanicheritage/2010/146451.htm

http://exchanges.state.gov/non-us/program/international-visitor-leadership-program-ivlp



Andrew S. Weiss
Vice President for Studies, Carnegie Endowment. Russia and Eurasia Program.
NBC News Analyst. All views my own. Usual RT caveat applies.
Washington, DC

Yair Rosenberg
Writer, @tabletmag. Editor, @IsraelArchives. Religion, politics, pop culture.
All errors are the fault of the Koch brothers, George Soros & corporate lobbyists.
yrosenberg@tabletmag.com · yairrosenberg.com

IvorCrotty
Head of Social media @rt_com. Irish. Dad. Midfield. Music. Probably sleep deprived.
Moscow · rebelmouse.com/IvorCrotty/

Маргарита Симоньян
@M_Simonyan
Главный редактор RT.
Moscow · m-simonyan.livejournal.com

Bill Browder
@Billbrowder
CEO Hermitage Capital and Head of Global Magnitsky Justice campaign.
London · russian-untouchables.com

Segah Meer
@nesovok
Sailor, Innovator, Economist - in that order
San Francisco, CA · github.com/segahm

Daniel Sandford
@BBCDanielS
I'm the Moscow Correspondent for BBC News.
news.bbc.co.uk

Gunvor Group
@Gunvor
Official Twitter of Gunvor Group: Integrated trading products and logistics services for participants in the global oil and energy markets
Geneva, Switzerland · gunvorgroup.com

John McCain Verified account
@SenJohnMcCain
U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ)
Washington, DC

Tony Halpin
@tonyhalpin
Journalist tweeting mainly about Russia and former Soviet republics. Formerly with The Times.
London

The White House Verified account
@WhiteHouse
Follow for the latest from President Obama and his administration. Tweets from the President are signed –bo. Tweets may be archived: http://wh.gov/privacy .
Washington, DC · whitehouse.gov


How in the world did you check out the history and background of all these people and verify all this information so fast? I'd really love to see those notes of your's!

 

[InTheLight]

Have you ever noticed that no matter which of the six news networks you turn on they're reading from the same script as the other five almost word for word one never questioning the other's facts or sources?

So . . . who writes the script?

Question begging again.

 

[poncho]

Question begging again.

Thinking with with my fingers is all.

Must have taken you quite some time to verify all this info, probably take me a week!

 

[Gina B]

Here's an interesting article. I'm still not finding anything that shows an "invasion" as has been put forth. I'm still looking. Making they mean they used the forces that were already there?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...s-the-us-and-eu-are-real-aggressors-1.1734279

 

[Revmitchell]

I see nothing wrong with asking someone to provide proof of what they assert. Saying, "If you believe this, show me why" isn't question begging. Admittedly, it is a challenge. One which only one post has done anything to answer; the rest have been obvious twists, flames, or blatant attempts at derailing.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree. I'm just asking if we could have a civil discussion on an item instead of resorting to what amounts to playground taunting.

Uh excuse me....but you are a new commer. There is a long history here you know nothing of. We know more about poncho and what he is doing than you do. Just to fill you in the op is a taunt. We know this because we know poncho after years of dealing with his posts. I suggest you give some time to get to know folks before jumping in others conversation.

 

[Gina B]

A few years is not exactly a newbie and his posting name should give you a hint as far as him having a clue about the topic at hand and human nature. Good grief...

 

[Revmitchell]

A few years is not exactly a newbie and his posting name should give you a hint as far as him having a clue about the topic at hand and human nature. Good grief...

774 posts is a newbie. And nothing was mentioned about what he knows about the topic at hand.

 

[poncho]

Uh excuse me....but you are a new commer. There is a long history here you know nothing of. We know more about poncho and what he is doing than you do. Just to fill you in the op is a taunt. We know this because we know poncho after years of dealing with his posts. I suggest you give some time to get to know folks before jumping in others conversation.

Sapper and I go back a ways.

Of course I was taunting you guys. You all jumped into this "Russia is trying to take over world" stuff without any thought just as you have so many times accused me of doing.

You take the word of people that just violently over threw an elected government, good bad or ugly doesn't matter as if it were the gospel. You guys are the ones who are always reminding me that we have to obey the laws of our country no matter how unjust or ridiculous they are and here you are rooting for a violent group of people in Ukraine that you would most certainly condemn here for doing much less!

What's the word for that again?

You guys flip and flop on your principles faster than a horse can trot. It's a grave sin against God according to you to question the justness of the laws of this country but it's okie dokie for a group you know next to nothing about to use violence to over throw their government and set their country on a path to civil war?

And you say I'm insane? Well, you may be right about that. If you guys are such fine examples of sanity then count me out I want no part of it.

I'd rather be judged a lunatic than a hypocrite any day.

 

[Gina B]

I had to laugh when I saw that, Poncho. They were so quick to cheer on those in the Ukraine. Not saying that what those people did was wrong if their government was being unjust, but I can't even WHISPER that there are issues in the United States without these same people on the board going berserk! I jokingly mentioned that attitude today and they're off on a tangent. You know what happened before, but instead of piously quoting verses about obeying those that have the rule over you, submitting to authority, and pointing out how other countries have it worse than them, they think this is great! One even moaned about how sad it was that people in the United States are so passive when it comes to injustice in our country, but look at THEM...ROFL That was priceless.

 

[poncho]

I had to laugh when I saw that, Poncho. They were so quick to cheer on those in the Ukraine. Not saying that what those people did was wrong if their government was being unjust, but I can't even WHISPER that there are issues in the United States without these same people on the board going berserk! I jokingly mentioned that attitude today and they're off on a tangent. You know what happened before, but instead of piously quoting verses about obeying those that have the rule over you, submitting to authority, and pointing out how other countries have it worse than them, they think this is great! One even moaned about how sad it was that people in the United States are so passive when it comes to injustice in our country, but look at THEM...ROFL That was priceless.

They're special alright.

I suspect now they'll all go into a huddle with the "great insulter" and a couple other self appointed Baptist Board censors and come back in force tomorrow to give us the business about being bad Christians and anti American marxists in league with Vlad the merciless or even worse libertarians in league with Ron Paul!

 

[InTheLight]

Of course I was taunting you guys. You all jumped into this "Russia is trying to take over world" stuff without any thought just as you have so many times accused me of doing.

You take the word of people that just violently over threw an elected government, good bad or ugly doesn't matter as if it were the gospel. You guys are the ones who are always reminding me that we have to obey the laws of our country no matter how unjust or ridiculous they are and here you are rooting for a violent group of people in Ukraine that you would most certainly condemn here for doing much less!

You guys flip and flop on your principles faster than a horse can trot. It's a grave sin against God according to you to question the justness of the laws of this country but it's okie dokie for a group you know next to nothing about to use violence to over throw their government and set their country on a path to civil war?

You are not describing me. I never said any of this stuff. Maybe you should go back into my killfile...

 

[poncho]

You are not describing me. I never said any of this stuff. Maybe you should go back into my killfile...

I don't believe you have ever given me the Romans 13 sermon for questioning unjust laws like the Rev and some others here have.

But I do I believe you have accused me of rushing to conclusions without proof a time or two.

BTW thanks for posting that blog. I'll take another look at it even though I've been told by some other's here that "blogs aren't credible sources of information".

 

[Revmitchell]

Of course I was taunting you guys.

And there ya go.

 

[poncho]

And there ya go.

If he answers direct questions his assertions fall apart. What he is trying to say is Russia had every right to go into Crimea and we should stay out of it. But in order to do that he plays word games.

Says the guy who shuffles his principles around to fit the topic at hand. :sleep:

 

[Revmitchell]

Says the guy who shuffles his principles around to fit the topic at hand. :sleep:

You know you are so predictable. I already knew which position you would take on this before you made the first post. I also knew you were going to make assumptions about every body else with no thing to substantiate it.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

 

[poncho]

You know you are so predictable. I already knew which position you would take on this before you made the first post. I also knew you were going to make assumptions about every body else with no thing to substantiate it.

Hmmm, sounds like you're trying to say you're the only one who has the right to act like you.

You are quite predictable yourself Rev. I knew before your first post you'd come here and condemn me for acting like you and your buddy TND. So far neither of you have let me down. When this "news" about Ukraine first broke you two quickly chose a side without knowing who or what you were crawling into bed with and when I tried to show there were two sides to this story I was accused of being a "Putin lover" and a "marxist", and of course you show up like you're king of Baptist Board with your "school yard antics" to try to put me in my place.

Hey if you want to hold hands with Nazis who am I to question it right? I mean you and TND have been very consistent in your defense of the authoritarian corporatist system of government we have in the USA so I guess witnessing you two crawling into bed with Nazis without question shouldn't come as much of a surprise. It would be the "logical" next step after all. Matter of fact about the only disappointment either of you have shown about living under an authoritarian corporatist system of government is that the republicans aren't the ones "in charge" of it.

So far the only thing you've proven in this thread is you look down on others who dare use your tactics against you, that you'll deny having unwittingly affiliated yourself with neo nazis and you will keep on flat out refusing to learn anything more about them than you already assume to know. Just knowing they don't like the Russians is evidently good enough for you to join their camp.

Sieg Heil! (Hail Victory!)

 

[Sapper Woody]

774 posts is a newbie. And nothing was mentioned about what he knows about the topic at hand.

Yeah, if only they had a stat for posts read. I've been reading the BB since before I graduated HS in 2001. I even used to post back in 2002 under a user name that i eventually forgot and had to remake a user when i wanted to post, hence this one that's only a few years old. I read most every new post every day. But unlike some, if what I have to say has already been said, or I have nothing to add, I don't say anything.

Like I've said before, I don't agree with a lot of what Poncho says. Doesn't mean I instantly discredit what he brings. Just means I check into it more carefully. But I sure don't instantly derail a thread he starts.

And he wasn't question begging. He was clarifying to whom the OP was addressed.

 

[poncho]

Powerful Interview: America Openly Funding Al Qaeda!

Part One Of Alex's powerful and insightful interview with British MP, writer and activist George Galloway, renowned for his "colorful rhetoric and combative debating style." Mr. Galloway talks about the crisis in Ukraine and the crimes of Ken Lay and Tony Blair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsAV16vSuhY

Don't Miss Part Two http://youtu.be/pNX3ap_KgDI


Hiya Sapper. At first I couldn't believe the Rev was talking to you like that. You have to understand that he as well as his buddy TND are desperate to keep the false media narrative about Ukraine going as long as possible because they immediately jumped on the bandwagon and bought into it without thinking it through and now they can't back out without looking foolish.

Trying to make others look foolish is about all they can do at this point. But even that is failing them now as more and more comes out about who they're holding hands with.

They climbed into bed with complete strangers and would rather other people here not think about it. So don't be surprised if they start accusing you of being a marxist next to try to divert people's attention away from their hasty uninformed decision.