Sin and Salvation

No such thing as a "false brother." What is a true brother, if there is a false brother? Why such the confusing dichotomy that you are so conveniently constructing for yourselves. Paul says no such thing. He writes about false teachers and false prophets, those that were evidenly unsaved people that were spreading false doctrine. There are only two groups of people in this world--the saved and the lost. There is no such thing as "the not really saved." What nonsense!!

 

You deny the scripture?


Gal 2:4And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:
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The false brethren in Gal 2 is referring to those who intentionally infiltrated the church in order to

They were not people who mistakenly thought they believed in the Lord Jesus but really didn't because they were still sinning. They were probably people who taught that you had to keep the law to be saved. Like some other people I know.

 

Let me clarify. It does say false brother. But the false is an adjective meaning pretender. They were false teachers. They were wolves in sheep's clothing. They were not of the type of people that you were describing. The reference goes back to Acts 15--the Judaizers--brethren that demanded circumcision as a condition for salvation. Paul called them false brethren because they demanded works as a condition for salvation. It was a false gospel that they were spreading. They were false teachers taking on the name Christian. This has nothing to do with the subject of sin and Christianity; immorality and Christianity. It might be more applicable if you were discussing Benny Hinn and Christianity. In context it is speaking of false teachers.

There are the saved, and the unsaved--not the "not truly saved." Paul never uses such a term. He does say false teachers and false prophets. That is what this term refers to. All the apostles, and Jesus himself warns about such people.

 

What you think these threads are about? "still sinning"

 

Those were Paul's words and didn't say teacher either, so you and DHK take it up with Paul.

I would perfer they were not saved for if it were possible for them to be saved and they tasted of the Heavenly fruits and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, they are gone for good.

 

Saved believers still sinning. Believers who will be beaten with many stripes and will not inherit the kingdom of God, who's works will be burned but they shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

 

That verse in 1 Corinthians 3 says absolutely nothing about the believer spending time in hell.

The works are burned, not the believer.

 

Not truly saved is still applicable, DHK.

The unsaved who are wolves in sheep's clothing pretenting to be saved are not truly saved. 'Unsaved' and 'not truly saved' mean the exact same thing.

 

My entire Post, now where is the twist?

Luke 13:

22: And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem.
23: Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24: Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25: When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

 

Or better yet Lacy, to Quote ??Scripture?? as Bro. Bob does...

"when in Rome do as the Romans.":thumbs:

This is truly going nowhere fast!

Good day men.

Max

 

Yep. That was even after Pentecost. I'm pretty sure that if your not in the ship, you aren't saved.

 

It is absolutely silly to compare the two. yikes!!!!

 

If you didn't want to lose your head you better do what the Romans did.



I would rather misquote than "amen sinning".

Pastor MHG:
Amen and Amen Brother Rufus!!!

(that does include molesting little children too)

 

What a Great and Merciful God we serve! To think he would bestow on me the gift of eternal life and then continue to use me though I reside in this flesh (the body of this death) that must be brought into subjection daily because it rebels against Him.

Praise his Holy Name for his long suffering and mercy!

When I stray, He whips me and sets me back on the path I am to travel...what a Loving Heavenly Father!

You know, My son could spit in my face...but I am still his Dad!
He could tell me he hates me...But I am still his Dad!
He could steal from me...but I am still his Dad!
He could lie to me...but I am still his Dad!
He could commit adultery...but I am still his Dad!
He could commit fornication...but I am still his Dad!
He could strike his Mother (God help him!)...but I am still his Dad!

Get it!

What a wonderful Saviour and Loving Father we have!

Max

 

What if you walked in just as your son had his fist drawn to strike his mother, would you stop him?

 

amen Amy;........