Sin and Salvation

For all we know Bob, it is forgetting to give thanks before eating. Tell a lie while eating too much (being gluttonous) and suffer a heart attack at the same time (leaving no room for repentance or confession of sin), and you will find yourself in hell. That is your theology. Am I correct?

 

Now it seems that you have decided that about any sin can be the one "straw that breaks the camel's back", for any "living after the flesh" would surely be sin, whether one is 'open' about it or no. I'm confused on what you actually believe, and think others may be as well. Is it grace, or is it works. They do not and cannot co-exist in salvation, for they are diametrically opposed to one another. (Rom. 11:6)

I gotta' get to bed, for I'm gonna' cook an early breakfast for my wife and sister-in-law who is leaving early in the AM!

Ed

 

Heh! Heh!

Nite!

Ed

 

No, you seem imcapable of understand my theology. I have told you before, I tell you again. If we sin, we have an advocate with God. His name is Jesus.

 

I have no doubt you understand Ed; You are not able with scriptures to prove my theology wrong so you stoop to "I going to take my ball and go home" theory.

 

This seems to answer your other thread very well.:laugh:

HBSMN: hope you don't mind my posting this, I think its necessary.

There are only two verses in the Word of God that speak of a 'sin unto death'.


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Romans 6:16 (KJV) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

The contrast in this verse does not point to life and death, but righteousness and death. I do not believe this is speaking of a physical death. Paul contrasted sin unto death with obedience unto righteousness. The sin unto death must be disobedience, for obedience is the contrasting view here. The Greek word for death here is 'Thanatos'. It can be viewed either literally or figuratively. The Word 'sin' here is the Greek word 'hamartia' which means sin or offense.


1 John 5:16 (KJV) If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
Here, 'Thanatos' is used again. Figurative? Literal? Sin, in this verse is not the same as in Romans 6, it is the Greek word 'hamartano'. There are more meanings for this word here. Its meanings are '(as a negative particle) properly, to miss the mark (and so not share in the prize), i.e. (figuratively) to err, especially (morally) to sin:--for your faults, offend, sin, trespass'.
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Actually, I believe you were the one who "took his ball and went home", i.e. to bed, before I did, last evening.

And on this subject, as you put it, your personal version of "my theology" has proved that you somehow have the ability to define or at least recognize what is "a sin unto death", when Scripture never says what it is, rather only that there is such a thing.

Where did you come up with this great insight that Scripture does not list, and no one else seems to be able to? Or can you be honest in this, and admit it happens to be your own "private interpretation" and not which one or ones Scripture says?

Ed

P.S. My sister-in-law is on the way back to Baltimore, and I'm Ba-a-a-a-ck!! :laugh: :laugh:

 

Seems to me everyone had taken a crack at it. They are now saying "physical death".

All unrepentant sins are sins unto death.

Jhn 8:21¶Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

If they can't go to be with the Lord, guess where they are going Ed.

 

"Sigh!!" Finally!! (I just 'repented' in the OT meaning, BTW!)

Some definition or at least allusion from Scripture about what is the or at least a "sin unto death"!

So I guess whenever the Lord gets "fed up enough" with any of us in our disobedience, he just, at His timing and choice, just "lowers the boom", so to speak. Since any disobedience is sin, there is no absolute standard from Scripture about what disobedience constitutes "enough". And about anything or any sin could cause God to say "enough", whether it is my "pet sin" of adding to Scripture (BTW, the first sin recorded in Scripture committed by a human, and one that predates "adultery"), Brother Bob's of "adultery", DHK's of "pride" and/or "coveteousness" [the first chronological sins, BTW ("I will be like the most high!")], or 'Sister 'Sally's' major transgression of "gossip", or whatever!




News Bulletin!!

Hijack Alert!!




That would be spoken like the true Calvinist that you are!

'Er I mean Arminian!

Once again showing what I've been preaching for a year on the BB! In the final analysis, there is no difference in the systems. Both systems, as a friend of mine said, "Thye are very good systems! There's only two things wrong with them - They blaspheme God and they de-humanize man. Outside of that, they are great systems!"

Don't you get it? (I'm not surprised, for most don't!)

Both systems insist on claiming for themselves the job reserved solely and exclusively for the angels at the end of the age- that of separating the wheat from the tares. Jesus would not even let the Apostles do it, by inference.

Did you notice that Jesus did not let his servants peform the task of separating, at the time, lest they uproot the wheat with the tares?

Yet today we have so many who care not one whit about how much wheat they uproot, if they can grab a handful of tares to show around!

News flash!!

"Hijack ended!"

And I almost missed it!! This start of the quote was not what 'Brother Bob' came up with from Scripture but merely 'borrowed', a la certain politicians, from someone else, in this case, 'His Blood Spoke My Name'! :laugh:

Now back to our regularly scheduled argument and fight!!

Ed

 

Yep! Like I said once before, a 'stolen' even if by accident, ink pen is enough to make one guilty of stealing, in your theology, for that is still stealing, and is 'breaking one of the Ten Commandments'! Finally, you admit what I claimed, as well. There is no degree of sin, for sin is still sin!
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Well, except for those either you, or someone else deem especially henious, and they are worse than the others!

Ed

 

Well, I have a request.
I need your prayers. I just got home from the gymn and the hospital had called. My heart tests turned out bad and they are now setting up for me to have a heart cath. I have had 2 different bypass heart surgeries in the past and a massive heart attack that took the bottom partof my heart. They said they would not do any more heart surgery, so I don't know what the future holds for me. I hope you will pray.
BBob

 

DONE! :1_grouphug: :1_grouphug: :1_grouphug:

 

It would be an honor to lift you up to the Lord Brother Bob...I will do it post-haste.

God bless you...I hope these spirited arguments are not bad for your blood pressure...Be careful brother.

Max

 

No, the arguments have taught me a lot. I put them in the "good" column.

 

Bro. Bob hate to hear the news, but I know God has a plan and a purpose. I pray His will be done in your life!!!

 

Praying for you, Brother Bob, and put you on the prayer list in our church, last evening.

Ed